How can anyone win an argument with someone who believes the lies they tell as being true?
How does an atheist define what truth is? What is right or wrong defined by one without a moral compass — such as The Ten Commandments? If a person believes something to be true, and shares it, how is that person called a liar?
Right now there are documented cases of falsehoods on display worldwide and in Washington…when are “mistakes” another word for lies? “Liar, liar, pants on fire” Menendez and spouse, Hunter Biden, and his confused Dad, and Trump will be in courtrooms this summer trying to convince Judges that they are innocent.
Biden Exploits a Tragic Israeli Mistake
He forgets the mistaken U.S. missile strike that killed 10 innocents in Kabul in 2021.
Palestinians inspect a vehicle with the logo of the World Central Kitchen wrecked by an Israeli airstrike in Deir al Balah, Gaza Strip, April 2. PHOTO: ISMAEL ABU DAYYAH/ASSOCIATED PRESS
Israel did the right thing this week by immediately investigating, taking responsibility and apologizing for its missile strike on Monday that killed seven aid workers from World Central Kitchen in Gaza.
“It shouldn’t have happened,” Israel’s top military officer said. “It was a mistake that followed a misidentification.” Israel’s Prime Minister, President and Defense Minister have also apologized and announced steps to try to prevent it from happening again.
“We say “try” because many people who know better, including President Biden, seem to have forgotten that errors are a tragic and inevitable part of war. The President pandered to the anti-Israel faction in his party on Tuesday by harshly condemning Israel, lecturing it and then blaming it (not Hamas) for the larger humanitarian disaster in Gaza.
“That apparently wasn’t enough. Egged on by the emerging anti-Israel liberal media consensus, Mr. Biden called on Thursday for an “immediate cease-fire” and urged Israel to make new concessions in hostage negotiations. The President then threatened, as Secretary of State Antony Blinken put it, that “if we don’t see the changes we need to see” from Israel, “there will be a change in our policy.”
“This is Biden Administration opportunism, using the World Central Kitchen tragedy to push Israel to cut short the war and let Hamas survive. It’s also the worst thing the President could do to free the hostages.
“The message Hamas will take away is clear: Keep rejecting hostage deals, do whatever you can to worsen the humanitarian catastrophe, and watch Mr. Biden blame and pressure Israel to compromise on its war aims. After Oct. 7, the U.S. demanded that Hamas release the hostages “unconditionally.” It is now closer to demanding that Israel unconditionally stop fighting.
“Mr. Biden also seems to have forgotten his own mistaken missile strike. When the President’s Irish goodbye from Afghanistan was spoiled by a suicide bombing that killed 13 U.S. troops, he ordered retaliation against ISIS-K. On Aug. 29, 2021, a U.S. Hellfire missile struck a car at a family home in Kabul in what Gen. Mark Milley called a “righteous strike.”
“It turned out the strike killed 10 civilians, including seven children. But the Biden Administration wasn’t quick to apologize. “Almost everything senior defense officials asserted in the hours, days and weeks after it turned out to be false,” the New York Times reported.
“The explosives supposedly in the targeted car’s trunk were probably water bottles. The driver, an aid worker, had no ISIS ties. It took weeks for the Pentagon to own up to what it called a “tragic mistake.”
“The fog of war is real, and for Mr. Biden this and other U.S. strikes were mistakes. But he now holds Israel to a different standard.
“The President’s statements on the Israeli strike have moved from “outrage” to recrimination: “This is a major reason why distributing humanitarian aid in Gaza has been so difficult—because Israel has not done enough to protect aid workers.” Left out is a critical word about Hamas, which started this war, steals aid, and murders Palestinians who facilitate aid.
“Rather than hold Hamas accountable and demand at every opportunity that it release the hostages, including five Americans, Mr. Biden places the full burden on Israel. He puts Israel on trial each day from Washington lecterns, undermining support for its war effort.
“Mr. Biden has mostly resisted pressure from his left to cut off Israel and deny it the weapons it needs to defeat Hamas. But in the wake of this tragic Israeli mistake, and while Israel goes on high alert for an Iranian attack, he threatens to reverse even that support.
“If he does so, he will send the wrong message to our friends and especially our enemies in the Middle East. He may also pay a bigger political price at home than he realizes.”
How does an atheist define what truth is? What is right or wrong defined by one without a moral compass — such as The Ten Commandments? If a person believes something to be true, and shares it, how is that person called a liar?
The moral compass of many who profess to follow the Ten Commandments is questionable.
“Liar, liar, pants on fire” Menendez and spouse, Hunter Biden, and his confused Dad, and Trump will be in courtrooms this summer trying to convince Judges that they are innocent.
You know that Hunter Biden’s father, who isn’t charged with anything, will not be in a courtroom this summer trying to convince a judge that he is innocent, yet here you are, saying it.
Mtierney has managed to live 90 plus years without learning the meaning of the word "liar"?
Fragile conservative snowflakes like to complain about today's "woke" schools but it is clear to me that things have improved greatly since the 1930s and 40s.
If a person believes something to be true, and shares it, how is that person called a liar?
If a person believes something to be true, and is shown why it is false, and they respond by plugging their ears and closing their eyes -- then I have no problem calling the person who willfully ignores the truth a liar.
When that person is told repeatedly that something she keeps spreading is not true, and persists in doing so, that person is a liar.
Really depends on who is doing the telling. The Boys Club? nah.
Seems Dr. Jill has noticed the consistently poor polling her husband gets, and she intends to correct things. It will be interesting to see what happens.
Really depends on who is doing the telling. The Boys Club? nah.
use just one example, there is a real life definition of what a sanctuary city is. But you continually describe the concept untruthfully after you've been corrected multiple times.
There are lots of issues that have one truthful, factual description. People don't get to make up their own "facts" that stand in opposition to verifiable truths.
And in another example you don't get to say the U.S. has an open border just because you want to be able to say it (ad nauseam). It's a fact that the U.S.'s borders are not "open."
Mtierney, please. You really do know better. Many many ancient civilisations, knowing nothing of Judeao-Christianity, had very moral societies and not just because ‘the gods will smite you down’. If you read the Hammurabi Code, the basis of the Babylonian legal system was fairness and recognising the property rights of others. (Don’t steal, don’t covet, don’t squat)
More than that, Mayans, Aztecs, Polynesians, Papuans, Māoris…… people with no knowledge Western style religion/morality knew it’s pointless to club each other senseless without genuine reason, to steal from each other - including mates - to invade each other’s territory without good reason. It’s counter-evolutionary, there’s no sense to such behaviour. You don’t need a belief in a divinity to understand this, you just need logic and a sense of family/tribal history.
“Menendez and spouse, Hunter Biden, and his confused Dad, and Trump will be in courtrooms this summer trying to convince Judges that they are innocent. ”
“Menendez and spouse, Hunter Biden, and his confused Dad, and Trump will be in courtrooms this summer trying to convince Judges that they are innocent. ”
“Menendez and spouse, Hunter Biden, and his confused Dad, and Trump will be in courtrooms this summer trying to convince Judges that they are innocent. ”
Reads as if Menendez’ spouse is Hunter Biden!!
Not to worry, Joanne, the misplaced comma was all my doing, not the WSJ’s! But, the image of a Hunter and the Senator connection, in the bizarre life and times of the president’s son — and the New Jersey senator and his Missus — is within the realm of reality for these folks who sought money above all else, and could never acquire enough of it. Graft and greed in Washington go hand-in-hand — throw political power into the mix and it is dynamite!
It’s amazing how much effort you put into smearing the Biden family… but can conveniently ignore trump’s criminal history and his son’s drug induced behavior. I don’t know who promised you a seat in heaven but…damn… you are the biggest hypocrite I have ever seen on this message board lately. There were others, who may have seen the truth and their errors and quietly settled into their old age… but not you! You are determined to get back at the liberals who forced you out of your comfort zone.
This article from the Times today is a beautiful examination of the life and times of a small town doctor in the midwest. I would guess the headline writers at the Times felt it necessary to make it about politics. What a shame! The story about aging in America is a stand-alone, well written and photographed, and should be of interest to everyone over 50.
Back to the nefarious doings of disgruntled Democrats, past and present…
A Disinformation October Surprise Is Coming
Will the press be ready if, for the third election in a row, our national-security state meddles?
By Holman W. Jenkins, Jr.
April 5, 2024 at 3:56 pm ET
Donald Trump and Joe Biden. PHOTO: REUTERS/REUTERS
Two of the most interesting things ever to happen in American politics happened in the past few years. A Democratic presidential campaign, representing the incumbent party, fabricated evidence that its Republican opponent and the eventual president-elect was a Russian agent, and the in-power party’s FBI legitimated the evidence in the eyes of the media so it would be widely reported and believed by the public.
To make sure it was believed, top intelligence officials of the outgoing administration went on cable television to call the new president a Russian mole and Vladimir Putin his case officer.
When the formerly incumbent party’s candidate was seeking to reclaim the White House four years later, the same former officials concocted a new lie to cover up embarrassing information about the candidate’s family. These highly connected former officials had five days to check things out before claiming Hunter Biden’s laptop had “classic earmarks of a Russian information operation.” The New York Post included a receipt showing the FBI had already been in possession of the data for 10 months. Its story documented how the Post acquired the same data. Specific, dated and verifiable events and messages weren’t denied by the Bidens, etc.
Obama intelligence officials James Clapper and John Brennan, and their 49 colleagues, lie today when they say they weren’t lying then.
These realties have been acknowledged on these pages, in a few other papers around the country, on Fox News and at some partisan websites. They might as well never have happened as far as most of the press is concerned.
New York Times resident chin-stroker Thomas Edsall, in the Trump era, has devoted 380 articles, many of them 3,000 words or longer, to raking over voter surveys and long quotes from political scientists psychoanalyzing the U.S. electorate. Not one examined the effect of these glaring events on voters or even acknowledged that they happened.
Democratic and anti-Trump Republican political spinmeisters, from David Axelrod to Mike Murphy to Bill Kristol, spend a hours a week on TV and in podcasts holding forth on politics, talking endlessly about Donald Trump, yet leave the collusion episodes unanalyzed as if they never occurred.
After years, the press finally acknowledges that pollsters find Trump voters every bit as concerned about democracy as Biden voters. “The two men are essentially tied on the issue of protecting democracy, with 43% of voters preferring Biden and 41% picking Trump,” says NBC. Unasked is why.
You might assume a utilitarian motive—Mr. Trump would benefit politically if the truth were acknowledged. Unless correlation has no relation to causation, unless participants in a thousand focus groups are lying, the opposite is true. The dishonesty of his opponents remains Mr. Trump’s great legitimizer, helping him past Jan. 6 and on the road to the White House again.
The real motive for the press silence is fear and shame over acts that are close to treasonous.
Mr. Trump’s many demerits don’t need to be enumerated here, but, after nine years, the tone of cable coverage has become more like primate gibbering than reasoned commentary. If it stops, even for a moment, other truths might come up for air. Plainly false campaign memes—he called neo-Nazis fine people, he advised drinking bleach—usually have their season and disappear. The anti-Trump tropes never get a day off, constantly dunning viewers with Mr. Trump’s unique iniquity as if to rationalize his enemies’ behavior.
If the simple truth were admitted, Hillary Clinton would be a pariah. Adam Schiff would never appear on another ballot again. I’m not forgetting the complicity of the press, whose normal role is to take an interest in matters that are, you know, interesting. If it’s true that cowards die a thousand deaths, our media will bankrupt the fisc with all the end-of-life care it’s going to consume.
Mr. Trump turns out to be less of a danger to our institutions than they are to themselves. Worry about a future leader with President Obama’s gifts not Donald Trump’s—while remembering that the collusion hoaxes were promoted by official U.S. agencies in exactly the manner of Mr. Putin’s Russia.
All this is possibly going to matter a great deal this fall. Mr. Trump will tell his lies and tall tales and make his fabulous claims and the media will have to deal with it.
There’s also a significant likelihood that 2024 will see lies manufactured by agents and veterans of the national-security state, as in 2016 and 2020. Then the press will get a third opportunity. Those reporters and editors who are still capable of participating in the media business in good faith need to start thinking now about how they will deal with this if it happens again.
Back to the nefarious doings of disgruntled Democrats, past and present…
A Disinformation October Surprise Is Coming
Will the press be ready if, for the third election in a row, our national-security state meddles?
By Holman W. Jenkins, Jr.
April 5, 2024 at 3:56 pm ET
Donald Trump and Joe Biden. PHOTO: REUTERS/REUTERS
Two of the most interesting things ever to happen in American politics happened in the past few years. A Democratic presidential campaign, representing the incumbent party, fabricated evidence that its Republican opponent and the eventual president-elect was a Russian agent, and the in-power party’s FBI legitimated the evidence in the eyes of the media so it would be widely reported and believed by the public.
To make sure it was believed, top intelligence officials of the outgoing administration went on cable television to call the new president a Russian mole and Vladimir Putin his case officer.
When the formerly incumbent party’s candidate was seeking to reclaim the White House four years later, the same former officials concocted a new lie to cover up embarrassing information about the candidate’s family. These highly connected former officials had five days to check things out before claiming Hunter Biden’s laptop had “classic earmarks of a Russian information operation.” The New York Post included a receipt showing the FBI had already been in possession of the data for 10 months. Its story documented how the Post acquired the same data. Specific, dated and verifiable events and messages weren’t denied by the Bidens, etc.
Obama intelligence officials James Clapper and John Brennan, and their 49 colleagues, lie today when they say they weren’t lying then.
These realties have been acknowledged on these pages, in a few other papers around the country, on Fox News and at some partisan websites. They might as well never have happened as far as most of the press is concerned.
New York Times resident chin-stroker Thomas Edsall, in the Trump era, has devoted 380 articles, many of them 3,000 words or longer, to raking over voter surveys and long quotes from political scientists psychoanalyzing the U.S. electorate. Not one examined the effect of these glaring events on voters or even acknowledged that they happened.
Democratic and anti-Trump Republican political spinmeisters, from David Axelrod to Mike Murphy to Bill Kristol, spend a hours a week on TV and in podcasts holding forth on politics, talking endlessly about Donald Trump, yet leave the collusion episodes unanalyzed as if they never occurred.
After years, the press finally acknowledges that pollsters find Trump voters every bit as concerned about democracy as Biden voters. “The two men are essentially tied on the issue of protecting democracy, with 43% of voters preferring Biden and 41% picking Trump,” says NBC. Unasked is why.
You might assume a utilitarian motive—Mr. Trump would benefit politically if the truth were acknowledged. Unless correlation has no relation to causation, unless participants in a thousand focus groups are lying, the opposite is true. The dishonesty of his opponents remains Mr. Trump’s great legitimizer, helping him past Jan. 6 and on the road to the White House again.
The real motive for the press silence is fear and shame over acts that are close to treasonous.
Mr. Trump’s many demerits don’t need to be enumerated here, but, after nine years, the tone of cable coverage has become more like primate gibbering than reasoned commentary. If it stops, even for a moment, other truths might come up for air. Plainly false campaign memes—he called neo-Nazis fine people, he advised drinking bleach—usually have their season and disappear. The anti-Trump tropes never get a day off, constantly dunning viewers with Mr. Trump’s unique iniquity as if to rationalize his enemies’ behavior.
If the simple truth were admitted, Hillary Clinton would be a pariah. Adam Schiff would never appear on another ballot again. I’m not forgetting the complicity of the press, whose normal role is to take an interest in matters that are, you know, interesting. If it’s true that cowards die a thousand deaths, our media will bankrupt the fisc with all the end-of-life care it’s going to consume.
Mr. Trump turns out to be less of a danger to our institutions than they are to themselves. Worry about a future leader with President Obama’s gifts not Donald Trump’s—while remembering that the collusion hoaxes were promoted by official U.S. agencies in exactly the manner of Mr. Putin’s Russia.
All this is possibly going to matter a great deal this fall. Mr. Trump will tell his lies and tall tales and make his fabulous claims and the media will have to deal with it.
There’s also a significant likelihood that 2024 will see lies manufactured by agents and veterans of the national-security state, as in 2016 and 2020. Then the press will get a third opportunity. Those reporters and editors who are still capable of participating in the media business in good faith need to start thinking now about how they will deal with this if it happens again.
your posts are a pollutant. the first two paragraphs are ridiculous lies. no need to read past that.
your posts are a pollutant. the first two paragraphs are ridiculous lies. no need to read past that.
And who or what makes you a judge of content you don’t read?
not going through that explanation again.
but if the opening of a piece is unmitigated b.s. why would anyone waste their time continuing? Odds are it will just get worse and certainly add nothing to one's knowledge.
Mtierney, please. You really do know better. Many many ancient civilisations, knowing nothing of Judeao-Christianity, had very moral societies and not just because ‘the gods will smite you down’. If you read the Hammurabi Code, the basis of the Babylonian legal system was fairness and recognising the property rights of others. (Don’t steal, don’t covet, don’t squat) 
How does an atheist define what truth is? What is right or wrong defined by one without a moral compass — such as The Ten Commandments? If a person believes something to be true, and shares it, how is that person called a liar?
Right now there are documented cases of falsehoods on display worldwide and in Washington…when are “mistakes” another word for lies? “Liar, liar, pants on fire” Menendez and spouse, Hunter Biden, and his confused Dad, and Trump will be in courtrooms this summer trying to convince Judges that they are innocent.
Biden Exploits a Tragic Israeli Mistake
He forgets the mistaken U.S. missile strike that killed 10 innocents in Kabul in 2021.
ByThe WSJ Editorial Board
April 4, 2024 at 5:46 pm ET
Israel did the right thing this week by immediately investigating, taking responsibility and apologizing for its missile strike on Monday that killed seven aid workers from World Central Kitchen in Gaza.
“It shouldn’t have happened,” Israel’s top military officer said. “It was a mistake that followed a misidentification.” Israel’s Prime Minister, President and Defense Minister have also apologized and announced steps to try to prevent it from happening again.
“We say “try” because many people who know better, including President Biden, seem to have forgotten that errors are a tragic and inevitable part of war. The President pandered to the anti-Israel faction in his party on Tuesday by harshly condemning Israel, lecturing it and then blaming it (not Hamas) for the larger humanitarian disaster in Gaza.
“That apparently wasn’t enough. Egged on by the emerging anti-Israel liberal media consensus, Mr. Biden called on Thursday for an “immediate cease-fire” and urged Israel to make new concessions in hostage negotiations. The President then threatened, as Secretary of State Antony Blinken put it, that “if we don’t see the changes we need to see” from Israel, “there will be a change in our policy.”
“This is Biden Administration opportunism, using the World Central Kitchen tragedy to push Israel to cut short the war and let Hamas survive. It’s also the worst thing the President could do to free the hostages.
“The message Hamas will take away is clear: Keep rejecting hostage deals, do whatever you can to worsen the humanitarian catastrophe, and watch Mr. Biden blame and pressure Israel to compromise on its war aims. After Oct. 7, the U.S. demanded that Hamas release the hostages “unconditionally.” It is now closer to demanding that Israel unconditionally stop fighting.
“Mr. Biden also seems to have forgotten his own mistaken missile strike. When the President’s Irish goodbye from Afghanistan was spoiled by a suicide bombing that killed 13 U.S. troops, he ordered retaliation against ISIS-K. On Aug. 29, 2021, a U.S. Hellfire missile struck a car at a family home in Kabul in what Gen. Mark Milley called a “righteous strike.”
“It turned out the strike killed 10 civilians, including seven children. But the Biden Administration wasn’t quick to apologize. “Almost everything senior defense officials asserted in the hours, days and weeks after it turned out to be false,” the New York Times reported.
“The explosives supposedly in the targeted car’s trunk were probably water bottles. The driver, an aid worker, had no ISIS ties. It took weeks for the Pentagon to own up to what it called a “tragic mistake.”
“The fog of war is real, and for Mr. Biden this and other U.S. strikes were mistakes. But he now holds Israel to a different standard.
“The President’s statements on the Israeli strike have moved from “outrage” to recrimination: “This is a major reason why distributing humanitarian aid in Gaza has been so difficult—because Israel has not done enough to protect aid workers.” Left out is a critical word about Hamas, which started this war, steals aid, and murders Palestinians who facilitate aid.
“Rather than hold Hamas accountable and demand at every opportunity that it release the hostages, including five Americans, Mr. Biden places the full burden on Israel. He puts Israel on trial each day from Washington lecterns, undermining support for its war effort.
“Mr. Biden has mostly resisted pressure from his left to cut off Israel and deny it the weapons it needs to defeat Hamas. But in the wake of this tragic Israeli mistake, and while Israel goes on high alert for an Iranian attack, he threatens to reverse even that support.
“If he does so, he will send the wrong message to our friends and especially our enemies in the Middle East. He may also pay a bigger political price at home than he realizes.”