The Rose Garden and White House happenings: Listening to voters’ concerns
mtierney said:
Every time I read a back and forth “conversation” such as the last few posts, I marvel how liberals husband their time so carefully, fearing, it seems, that their minds might be invaded by opposing information.
“Five minutes”of exposure to someone’s opinions, outside the liberal pod, is scary and a tremendous waste of time.
FDR once said “ The only thing you have to fear, is fear itself.” If five minutes of exposure is enough time to change one’s POV, what have you got?
How are we to grow together as a people?
Five minutes?
Really?
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Smedley said:
i think this bit is sufficient to cover a "phenomenon" that's now 7 years old.
"On the Republican side, just as in 2016, a massive primary field is splitting the votes of the moderates, giving Trump plenty of room to consolidate his ultra-MAGA minority.
Apparently you think a "Trump is leading because he has MAGA support" column would be interesting or revelatory in some way. I don't.
I don't. Neither would be interesting
Smedley said:
she cited Trump's maga support, she didn't "complete ignore it". So maybe you need another minute with the article to read all the words.
she cited it. But ignored it as a the major reason Trump is still the GOP frontrunner.
Sheesh. That should have been obvious to you.
FDR once said “ The only thing you have to fear, is fear itself.” If five minutes of exposure is enough time to change one’s POV, what have you got?
Excellent comparison! We are indeed fighting fascism.
tjohn said:
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Trying to imagine mtierney reading something as far to the left as the National (Socialist) Review is to the right. I’m not quite sure what that journal would be.
Meanwhile, it looks like today's GOP campaign kerfuffle will involve whether Ron DeSantis will commit to which way to pronounce his last name.
Meanwhile, on the front lines on our border, the reporting is bleak….
From the safety of MOL country, it is all about the rights of illegal folks “movin on up”. Right?
Just to clarify -- your objection is that people are not arriving by steamship after a transatlantic crossing?
mtierney said:
Meanwhile, on the front lines on our border, the reporting is bleak….
From the safety of MOL country, it is all about the rights of illegal folks “movin on up”. Right?
"For the safety"? You're making accusations that immigrants are more dangerous people? That's hate speech against immigrants.
Not to mention that distorting the meaning of "sanctuary city" is also ignorant.
nohero said:
mtierney said:
Meanwhile, on the front lines on our border, the reporting is bleak….
From the safety of MOL country, it is all about the rights of illegal folks “movin on up”. Right?
"For the safety"? You're making accusations that immigrants are more dangerous people? That's hate speech against immigrants.
Not to mention that distorting the meaning of "sanctuary city" is also ignorant.
What do the facts show ( namely, illegal alien criminality versus legal alien criminality versus US citizen criminality)?
RealityForAll said:
What do the facts show ( namely, illegal alien criminality versus legal alien criminality versus US citizen criminality)?
I'm not aware of any study showing that undocumented individuals are more likely to commit a crime than a natural-born citizen of the U.S.
RealityForAll said:
What do the facts show ( namely, illegal alien criminality versus legal alien criminality versus US citizen criminality)?
Here’s some research, which took less than a minute to find online, by three University of Wisconsin sociologists in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, the peer-reviewed official journal of the National Academy of Sciences:
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2014704117
From the Abstract: We make use of uniquely comprehensive arrest data from the Texas Department of Public Safety to compare the criminality of undocumented immigrants to legal immigrants and native-born US citizens between 2012 and 2018. We find that undocumented immigrants have substantially lower crime rates than native-born citizens and legal immigrants across a range of felony offenses.
DaveSchmidt said:
RealityForAll said:
What do the facts show ( namely, illegal alien criminality versus legal alien criminality versus US citizen criminality)?
Here’s some research, which took less than a minute to find online, by three University of Wisconsin sociologists in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, the peer-reviewed official journal of the National Academy of Sciences:
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2014704117
From the Abstract: We make use of uniquely comprehensive arrest data from the Texas Department of Public Safety to compare the criminality of undocumented immigrants to legal immigrants and native-born US citizens between 2012 and 2018. We find that undocumented immigrants have substantially lower crime rates than native-born citizens and legal immigrants across a range of felony offenses.
Interesting.
RealityForAll said:
Interesting.
I’ll take the easy A on the homework you assigned.
RealityForAll said:
nohero said:
mtierney said:
Meanwhile, on the front lines on our border, the reporting is bleak….
From the safety of MOL country, it is all about the rights of illegal folks “movin on up”. Right?
"For the safety"? You're making accusations that immigrants are more dangerous people? That's hate speech against immigrants.
Not to mention that distorting the meaning of "sanctuary city" is also ignorant.
What do the facts show ( namely, illegal alien criminality versus legal alien criminality versus US citizen criminality)?
you can do your own googling, but by coincidence a couple of days ago I just read an international study that looked at crime stats for a large number of countries over 20+ years, and immigration was not related to any increases in crime. I don't recall where, thus the recommendation that you do your own search instead of asking other people to find the information for you.
nohero said:
RealityForAll said:
What do the facts show ( namely, illegal alien criminality versus legal alien criminality versus US citizen criminality)?
I'm not aware of any study showing that undocumented individuals are more likely to commit a crime than a natural-born citizen of the U.S.
anecdotally, undocumented people are thought to commit fewer crimes per capita than natives, because they don't want to draw the attention of immigration authorities.
nohero said:
mtierney said:
Meanwhile, on the front lines on our border, the reporting is bleak….
From the safety of MOL country, it is all about the rights of illegal folks “movin on up”. Right?
"For the safety"? You're making accusations that immigrants are more dangerous people? That's hate speech against immigrants.
Not to mention that distorting the meaning of "sanctuary city" is also ignorant.
Why would a city—or another entity—decide to designate itself as a sanctuary?
There are many reasons a city might choose to become a sanctuary. One reason is to keep residents safe. Law enforcement officers have said it’s important for members of immigrant communities to feel safe reporting crime—without being afraid of deportation of their family, friends or neighbors—so that criminals can be caught. If people who ask the police for help get swept up into deportation proceedings, others become afraid to call the police when they need help, and criminality flourishes.
A second reason some cities become sanctuaries is to protect local budgets. Federal immigration agents ask sheriffs to jail immigrants (“prolonged detention”), but the federal government generally does not reimburse sheriffs for the cost of housing individuals in prolonged detention. In addition, a city or county that is not a sanctuary risks having to defend against—and perhaps losing—a civil rights lawsuit. Several courts have held that prolonged detention is without legal basis and violates the federal Constitution’s ban on unreasonable seizures. These courts have further held that a city is not off the hook for having prolonged detention at the request of the federal government.
A third reason is to provide access to services on a fair and equal basis to all who are eligible for them. Many schools, for example, seek to educate all children regardless of where they were born. (In fact, education without regard to place of birth is required under the law.) A school is not required to gather information about where a child was born, and having that information could draw a subpoena to release it to federal immigration agents. To avoid being embroiled in that mess, and to fulfill the responsibility to educate children, many schools have decided to disentangle by not gathering information about place of birth or citizenship.
https://www.learningforjustice.org/classroom-resources/texts/what-is-a-sanctuary-city-anyway
I could post this a thousand times and mtierney will never understand it. mtierney thinks non-documented people are here to kill us, when they're really here to mow our lawns, mash our potatoes, and pick our oranges. They're here to start families, and to join loved ones that are already here. It's impossible for mtierney to understand what a sanctuary city is, because mtierney doesn't see the people it protects as humans. They're just "illegals." Their very existence on this planet is a crime to mtierney. That's why mtierney will never click this link and read more about what a sanctuary city, nor will mtierney even read or respond to this post.
Tomorrow, mtierney will read some new thing jammed into mtierney's feed of fear and post it up here, as mtierney has done for the last 11 years.
It’s funny how she only finds things liberals do as fearsome though…but 1/6 is not even a blip on her radar… or a child molester clutching a bible… or the utter stupidity of Trumpenstein’s language. She would like to give us the impression that she’s fearful of Biden bumping his head, because it’s one heartbeat away from her biggest fear…
DaveSchmidt said:
RealityForAll said:
Interesting.
I’ll take the easy A on the homework you assigned.
No homework assigned by me. Please retract your false statement: "homework you [referring to me, RFA] assigned."
I merely asked for facts (AKA evidence) supporting the POV propounded by nohero. Clearly, I pissed you off quite awhile ago by refusing to take homework assignments from you here on MOL (as you have repeated this homework trope regarding me over and over again). In light of the egalitarian nature of MOL, I believe homework assignments, and assignor/assignee situations introduce an unneeded and unwanted hierarchy into discussions here. Sorry that my quest for egalitarianism has been miscontrued. Go in peace.
PS. I am not the only MOLer who has refused purported homework assignments here.
RealityForAll said:
No homework assigned by me. Please retract your false statement: "homework you [referring to me, RFA] assigned."
I merely asked for facts (AKA evidence) supporting the POV propounded by nohero. Clearly, I pissed you off quite awhile ago by refusing to take homework assignments from you here on MOL (as you have repeated this homework trope regarding me over and over again). In light of the egalitarian nature of MOL, I believe homework assignments, and assignor/assignee situations introduce an unneeded and unwanted hierarchy into discussions here. Sorry that my quest for egalitarianism has been miscontrued. Go in peace.
PS. I am not the only MOLer who has refused purported homework assignments here.
No one is capable of pissing off mr Schmidt…. Nobody! He’s more likely to piss off a lot of people however…he does his own research, you just have to do yours.
So, only the Township of Maplewood —and a handful other, bigger cities —made the list of enlightened communities in the entire state? Getting on that bandwagon was a blatant political move. I doubt that many residents/taxpayers had a clue to what the township committee did.
What has the township done to remain a sanctuary city? I know many religious institutions have historically been there for the homeless, and perhaps the town provides funding.
But, I would like to see the township reaching out to the overflow of migrants in our sister sanctuary city neighborhoods that we see on the news nightly. Mayor has bused folks to Rhode Island! Why not Maplewood?
Maplewood might offer tent city space in parks, for example.
Braggadocio comes cheap; actions should have consequences, not bragging rights.
mtierney said:
So, only the Township of Maplewood —and a handful other, bigger cities —made the list of enlightened communities in the entire state? Getting on that bandwagon was a blatant political move. I doubt that many residents/taxpayers had a clue to what the township committee did.
What has the township done to remain a sanctuary city? I know many religious institutions have historically been there for the homeless, and perhaps the town provides funding.
But, I would like to see the township reaching out to the overflow of migrants in our sister sanctuary city neighborhoods that we see on the news nightly. Mayor has bused folks to Rhode Island! Why not Maplewood?
Maplewood might offer tent city space in parks, for example.
Braggadocio comes cheap; actions should have consequences, not bragging rights.
When your ancestors stepped off that ship, they didn't need a visa or other authorization to work. Perhaps you should be arguing for making it easier for those newly arrived to work legally? One reason for the challenge of housing them today is that they are waiting around for legal permission to work. Most would rather be out working on becoming productive members of American society rather than hanging around in legal limbo in overcrowded housing.
Or is there something about today's immigrants that makes them different from your ancestors that drives your antipathy to them?
mtierney said:
So, only the Township of Maplewood —and a handful other, bigger cities —made the list of enlightened communities in the entire state? Getting on that bandwagon was a blatant political move. I doubt that many residents/taxpayers had a clue to what the township committee did.
What has the township done to remain a sanctuary city? I know many religious institutions have historically been there for the homeless, and perhaps the town provides funding.
But, I would like to see the township reaching out to the overflow of migrants in our sister sanctuary city neighborhoods that we see on the news nightly. Mayor has bused folks to Rhode Island! Why not Maplewood?
Maplewood might offer tent city space in parks, for example.
Braggadocio comes cheap; actions should have consequences, not bragging rights.
And ignorance is free.
You could read what Mr. Ridski offered to you -
ridski said:
https://www.learningforjustice.org/classroom-resources/texts/what-is-a-sanctuary-city-anyway
Here's a line from that: "Some people think 'sanctuary' means the city is harboring fugitives. That’s a misunderstanding of the term."
mtierney said:
So, only the Township of Maplewood —and a handful other, bigger cities —made the list of enlightened communities in the entire state? Getting on that bandwagon was a blatant political move. I doubt that many residents/taxpayers had a clue to what the township committee did.
What has the township done to remain a sanctuary city? I know many religious institutions have historically been there for the homeless, and perhaps the town provides funding.
But, I would like to see the township reaching out to the overflow of migrants in our sister sanctuary city neighborhoods that we see on the news nightly. Mayor has bused folks to Rhode Island! Why not Maplewood?
Maplewood might offer tent city space in parks, for example.
Braggadocio comes cheap; actions should have consequences, not bragging rights.
there's ignorance, and then there's stubborn ignorance. Why are you so resistant to learning what the term "sanctuary city" actually means?
DaveSchmidt said:
PVW said:
ridski said:
Told you.
Predicting the obvious is barely predicting at all.
“Thankfully MOL has Ridski on the scene!”
Tomorrow morning, mtierney will post a National Review article about Biden tripping over a sandbag holding a teleprompter screen at the Air Force Academy commencement saying he's too old and unfit to be President.
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she cited Trump's maga support, she didn't "complete ignore it". So maybe you need another minute with the article to read all the words.