The Rose Garden and White House happenings: Listening to voters’ concerns
mtierney said:
Thank you, db, for having the guts to say something positive! Actually respond to most direct questions. Folks don’t like the answers.
You don't "actually respond to most direct questions". In fact you practically never do, which is why this one was worth a mention.
Plus, rather than stay for a discussion about your answer, you immediately try to switch subjects.
@ridski, thank you - yes, that’s the article (although I didn’t think it was Al Jazeera-derived). The sheer numbers of people leaving Venezuela surprised me. Let alone the numbers of people moving around Central and South America altogether, and finding new homes in those other countries.
Did I mention that last week I met a lovely restaurateur whose parents were Argentinian, moved to Brazil with his parents, and he later spent 6 years in Paris before moving here? Speaks 5 or 6 languages as a result, and is a proud Aussie citizen. We have an incredibly strong South and Central American population, have done for many decades (since the whaling era); we also farm alpacas and llamas, and grow many similar edible plants.
It might feel as if people are swarming over the borders, because there’s sensationalism in headlines featuring numbers (you know this as an old journo). We have similar scary claims about ‘boat people’. But the real objective research indicates otherwise.
(just saw the time. Gotta run, got an appointment)
And now we will see if Twitter can be fixed….
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/27/technology/elon-musk-twitter-deal-complete.html
drummerboy said:
mtierney said:
Thank you, db, for having the guts to say something positive! Actually respond to most direct questions. Folks don’t like the answers.
You don't "actually respond to most direct questions". In fact you practically never do, which is why this one was worth a mention.
Plus, rather than stay for a discussion about your answer, you immediately try to switch subjects.
Well, we will always have Paris.
mtierney said:
And now we will see if Twitter can be fixed….
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/27/technology/elon-musk-twitter-deal-complete.html
What do you say is the "fix" that Elon Musk will bring?
mtierney said:
And now we will see if Twitter can be fixed….
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/27/technology/elon-musk-twitter-deal-complete.html
Why fix something that isn't broken?
mtierney said:
And now we will see if Twitter can be fixed….
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/27/technology/elon-musk-twitter-deal-complete.html
Its started -
Racist tweets quickly surfaced after Musk closed Twitter deal
A wide range of anonymous Twitter accounts celebrated Musk’s takeover and argued it meant the old rules against bigotry no longer applied
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/10/28/musk-twitter-racist-posts/
ridski said:
mtierney said:
And now we will see if Twitter can be fixed….
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/27/technology/elon-musk-twitter-deal-complete.html
Why fix something that isn't broken?
personally I think it's been broken of a long time. I don't spend much time on Twitter because the right-wing trolls are everywhere, even in topics like sports or entertainment.
that said, Musk is only likely to make that problem worse.
Chief executive Parag Agrawal, chief financial officer Ned Segal and Vijaya Gadde, head of legal policy, trust, and safety, were let go, according to the people. Sean Edgett, the company’s general counsel, was also pushed out, one of the people said. The top executives were hastily escorted out of the company’s San Francisco headquarters.
Racist tweets quickly surface after Musk closes Twitter deal
Musk’s moves late Thursday signal his intentions to firmly put his stamp on Twitter. Musk has publicly criticized the company’s outgoing management over product decisions and content moderation, as well as saying he would restore former president Donald Trump’s account.
Classy
I suspect that what will happen is not that Twitter will necessarily be destroyed, but that it'll come to not really matter as much. I mean, already the current reality is that it doesn't matter as much as it seems to -- it gets a lot of press because people who work in media are over-represented on it. If that changes much, twitter's visibility in the media could drop precipitously even with little overall change in total usage numbers.
ml1 said:
personally I think it's been broken of a long time. I don't spend much time on Twitter because the right-wing trolls are everywhere, even in topics like sports or entertainment.
that said, Musk is only likely to make that problem worse.
Twitter is a website, and as that it works very well. Its user base, however, is very broken, riddled with bots, trolls, and fake accounts and no one can fix that. I'm fairly lucky in that keep my follow list relatively light and rarely post anything political to keep myself off the bot/troll/faker radar but IMO, Musk has spent billions of dollars on the next Usenet. It'll be the biggest mistake since News Corp bought Myspace. Rational people will just move on.
ridski said:
Twitter is a website, and as that it works very well. Its user base, however, is very broken, riddled with bots, trolls, and fake accounts and no one can fix that. I'm fairly lucky in that keep my follow list relatively light and rarely post anything political to keep myself off the bot/troll/faker radar but IMO, Musk has spent billions of dollars on the next Usenet. It'll be the biggest mistake since News Corp bought Myspace. Rational people will just move on.
Given that Musk almost immediately tried to go back on buying Twitter, I think he knows this too. But I guess he decided that the costs (to his reputation? to his other companies?) a full trial would bring was more than $44bn.
ridski said:
ml1 said:
personally I think it's been broken of a long time. I don't spend much time on Twitter because the right-wing trolls are everywhere, even in topics like sports or entertainment.
that said, Musk is only likely to make that problem worse.
Twitter is a website, and as that it works very well. Its user base, however, is very broken, riddled with bots, trolls, and fake accounts and no one can fix that. I'm fairly lucky in that keep my follow list relatively light and rarely post anything political to keep myself off the bot/troll/faker radar but IMO, Musk has spent billions of dollars on the next Usenet. It'll be the biggest mistake since News Corp bought Myspace. Rational people will just move on.
I suppose the reality is that our country is very broken, riddled with bots and trolls. There are a lot of people out there (mostly white guys over age 40) who are just angry about everything, and whose consumption of right wing news has resulted in their having painfully disordered ideas. And as stupid as their arguments are, they believe themselves to be brilliant, and they arrogantly look down on anyone who doesn't agree. And they are everywhere. I can be reading a tweet about baseball, and there will be guys coming in and turning it around to "wokeness" or "Brandon."
they are tiresome, and they are omnipresent,
I can't wrap my head around the fact that he's paying 44B for that thing.
Meanwhile it appears someone tried to assassinate Nancy Pelosi last night.
Is this where mtierney quickly tries to steer the conversation back to immigration?
PVW said:
Is this where mtierney quickly tries to steer the conversation back to immigration?
Something something Brett Kavanagh something something.
No, boys, fear not!
But I really believe many of you stout-hearted folks would get the vapors when California’s new law comes to the attention of Trenton or Albany pols. Appears Biden will push it “nationwide”.
mtierney said:
No, boys, fear not!
But I really believe many of you stout-hearted folks would get the vapors when California’s new law comes to the attention of Trenton or Albany pols. Appears Biden will push it “nationwide”.
Well, there's gig work and there's gig work. If you are on the higher end of the gig work pay scale and are in demand, you aren't as in need of labor law protections as are gig workers who don't make enough to pay for benefits and save for retirement and that sort of thing.
Why this would give me the vapors I don't quite understand. It isn't on the same scale as electing election deniers to Congress.
tjohn said:
Why this would give me the vapors I don't quite understand. It isn't on the same scale as electing election deniers to Congress.
Election deniers who, and this is significant, tried to kill the vice president and members of Congress.
In response to this latest assassination attempt, mt couldn't even manage to summon up a pro forma denunciation. Just as well, as she probably knows no one would believe she cares, since we all know what her being "pro-life" really means.
For MT and her ilk, pro-life coverage ends upon birth. Then you are subject to law of the jungle.
It appears from early reports that the attacker was but one of the many, many disturbed individuals who wander through life, confused, often homeless, while dangerous to themselves and others. Society needs protection; sick people need to receive help., care, and confinement to protect them, and others. Stories like this are happening almost everyday in our cities across America.
mtierney said:
It appears from early reports that the attacker was but one of the many, many disturbed individuals who wander through life, confused, often homeless, while dangerous to themselves and others. Society needs protection; sick people need to receive help., care, and confinement to protect them, and others. Stories like this are happening almost everyday in our cities across America.
except what you've described is the average MAGA voter.
you can't blow this off on "mental illness". his beliefs were mainstream MAGA.
would you describe all of the Jan 6 rioters screaming for Pelosi's head mentally ill?
drummerboy said:
except what you've described is the average MAGA voter.
you can't blow this off on "mental illness". his beliefs were mainstream MAGA.
would you describe all of the Jan 6 rioters screaming for Pelosi's head mentally ill?
I agree with you except one point.
Considering all the information and evidence shouldn't we consider mainstream MAGA to be a sign of mental illness? I do.
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