The Rose Garden and White House happenings: Listening to voters’ concerns

Meanwhile, who or what can explain or interpret this behavior?

From The Dispatch….via TNYT

  • President Biden has a long history of embellishing his life story—or straight up lying about it—as Michael Shear and Linda Qiu note in the New York Times. “As he campaigned for the presidency in 2019, Mr. Biden described how he had traveled to Afghanistan to pin a Silver Star on a Navy captain for retrieving the body of a fellow American from a 60-foot ravine,” Shear and Qiu write. “‘This is the God’s truth,’ he said, repeating a story he had told many times, ‘my word as a Biden.’
  • But as The Washington Post pointed out, it was an Army specialist, not a Navy captain, who had rescued his comrade. Former President Barack Obama, not Mr. Biden, awarded that soldier the Presidential Medal of Honor, not the Silver Star. And the ceremony took place at the White House, not in Afghanistan.”
    That’s far from an isolated incident. From nonexistent Amtrak trips to visit his sick mother in 2015 (who had died half a decade earlier), to claims he spent time at the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh (he talked to the rabbi on the phone), to a recurring story about being arrested while protesting for civil rights (no such evidence exists), Biden has a “habit of spinning embellished narratives, sometimes only loosely based on the facts, to weave together his political identity.”




mtierney said:

Meanwhile, who or what can explain or interpret this behavior?

From The Dispatch….via TNYT

  • President Biden has a long history of embellishing his life story—or straight up lying about it—as Michael Shear and Linda Qiu note in the New York Times. “As he campaigned for the presidency in 2019, Mr. Biden described how he had traveled to Afghanistan to pin a Silver Star on a Navy captain for retrieving the body of a fellow American from a 60-foot ravine,” Shear and Qiu write. “‘This is the God’s truth,’ he said, repeating a story he had told many times, ‘my word as a Biden.’
  • But as The Washington Post pointed out, it was an Army specialist, not a Navy captain, who had rescued his comrade. Former President Barack Obama, not Mr. Biden, awarded that soldier the Presidential Medal of Honor, not the Silver Star. And the ceremony took place at the White House, not in Afghanistan.”
    That’s far from an isolated incident. From nonexistent Amtrak trips to visit his sick mother in 2015 (who had died half a decade earlier), to claims he spent time at the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh (he talked to the rabbi on the phone), to a recurring story about being arrested while protesting for civil rights (no such evidence exists), Biden has a “habit of spinning embellished narratives, sometimes only loosely based on the facts, to weave together his political identity.”



No shame whatsoever.


You forfeit all rights to call anyone a liar when you are a supporter of our former *president.


jimmurphy said:

mtierney said:

Meanwhile, who or what can explain or interpret this behavior?

From The Dispatch….via TNYT

  • President Biden has a long history of embellishing his life story—or straight up lying about it—as Michael Shear and Linda Qiu note in the New York Times. “As he campaigned for the presidency in 2019, Mr. Biden described how he had traveled to Afghanistan to pin a Silver Star on a Navy captain for retrieving the body of a fellow American from a 60-foot ravine,” Shear and Qiu write. “‘This is the God’s truth,’ he said, repeating a story he had told many times, ‘my word as a Biden.’
  • But as The Washington Post pointed out, it was an Army specialist, not a Navy captain, who had rescued his comrade. Former President Barack Obama, not Mr. Biden, awarded that soldier the Presidential Medal of Honor, not the Silver Star. And the ceremony took place at the White House, not in Afghanistan.”
    That’s far from an isolated incident. From nonexistent Amtrak trips to visit his sick mother in 2015 (who had died half a decade earlier), to claims he spent time at the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh (he talked to the rabbi on the phone), to a recurring story about being arrested while protesting for civil rights (no such evidence exists), Biden has a “habit of spinning embellished narratives, sometimes only loosely based on the facts, to weave together his political identity.”



No shame whatsoever.


You forfeit all rights to call anyone a liar when you are a supporter of our former *president.

Stories like this are kind of silly. How many people, if asked, would have any memory of Biden telling this story? Answer - just about zero. So, it's not building his political identity at all.( As much as the Times would like it to be.)

unlike the tens of thousands of lies Trump has told in the past few years.


I can’t gift this from my iPad for some reason, but here’s a fun opinion piece (from David Leonhard no less) on Trump’s first year in office.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html


ridski said:

I can’t gift this from my iPad for some reason, but here’s a fun opinion piece (from David Leonhard no less) on Trump’s first year in office.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html

I tried to back you up and searched for it to gift it, but there are literally scores of articles in the NYT when one searches  “Trump lies.”


Using Fox News to support your arguments is like saying you’re a marine biologist because you watch SpongeBob SquarePants 


Jaytee said:

Using Fox News to support your arguments is like saying you’re a marine biologist because you watch SpongeBob SquarePants 

I think you watch way too many cartoons. 


jimmurphy said:

I tried to back you up and searched for it to gift it, but there are literally scores of articles in the NYT when one searches  “Trump lies.”

Here is the Times story referenced above….

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/10/us/politics/biden-exaggeration-falsehood.html


mtierney said:

Jaytee said:

Using Fox News to support your arguments is like saying you’re a marine biologist because you watch SpongeBob SquarePants 

I think you watch way too many cartoons. 

I think you watch too few and post too many.


mtierney said:

Meanwhile, who or what can explain or interpret this behavior?

From The Dispatch….via TNYT

  • President Biden has a long history of embellishing his life story—or straight up lying about it—as Michael Shear and Linda Qiu note in the New York Times. “As he campaigned for the presidency in 2019, Mr. Biden described how he had traveled to Afghanistan to pin a Silver Star on a Navy captain for retrieving the body of a fellow American from a 60-foot ravine,” Shear and Qiu write. “‘This is the God’s truth,’ he said, repeating a story he had told many times, ‘my word as a Biden.’
  • But as The Washington Post pointed out, it was an Army specialist, not a Navy captain, who had rescued his comrade. Former President Barack Obama, not Mr. Biden, awarded that soldier the Presidential Medal of Honor, not the Silver Star. And the ceremony took place at the White House, not in Afghanistan.”
    That’s far from an isolated incident. From nonexistent Amtrak trips to visit his sick mother in 2015 (who had died half a decade earlier), to claims he spent time at the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh (he talked to the rabbi on the phone), to a recurring story about being arrested while protesting for civil rights (no such evidence exists), Biden has a “habit of spinning embellished narratives, sometimes only loosely based on the facts, to weave together his political identity.”



a lot of people spin harmless tales about themselves. A gentleman who used to live in Maplewood and once ran for office used to tell me stories about his life that had to be untrue. Like how he was once a spy for the CIA. But he was a lovely man and I liked him. And I even voted for him. 

So I guess that's my long-winded way of saying -- who cares?


ml1 said:

a lot of people spin harmless tales about themselves. A gentleman who used to live in Maplewood and once ran for office used to tell me stories about his life that had to be untrue. Like how he was once a spy for the CIA. But he was a lovely man and I liked him. And I even voted for him. 

So I guess that's my long-winded way of saying -- who cares?

Wait a second! Obama lived in Maplewood?


jfinnegan said:

Wait a second! Obama lived in Maplewood?

this comment doesn't even make any sense to me. 


ml1 said:

this comment doesn't even make any sense to me. 

”Loose lips sink ships” was a poster to be seen everywhere back in the 1940s — subways, buses, etc — fabricating facts, aka lying, should not get a pass for POTUS.

Blowhards at the office or living next store may be tolerated, or not, your choice. Or relatives that you see only at Thanksgiving who weave tales — especially older folks — can be forgiven for harmony, and to avoid acid reflux.

POTUS turns 80 next month; he will turn 82 in 2024.



mtierney said:

ml1 said:

this comment doesn't even make any sense to me. 

”Loose lips sink ships” was a poster to be seen everywhere back in the 1940s — subways, buses, etc — fabricating facts, aka lying, should not get a pass for POTUS.

Blowhards at the office or living next store may be tolerated, or not, your choice. Or relatives that you see only at Thanksgiving who weave tales — especially older folks — can be forgiven for harmony, and to avoid acid reflux.

POTUS turns 80 next month; he will turn 82 in 2024.

I don't think anyone's giving Biden a "pass," just that you didn't say anything about the lies President Trump said so you don't really have much of a moral leg to stand on. 


ml1 said:

this comment doesn't even make any sense to me. 

some people seem to believe that Obama was in the CIA. And I assume you voted for him.


jfinnegan said:

ml1 said:

this comment doesn't even make any sense to me. 

some people seem to believe that Obama was in the CIA. And I assume you voted for him.

still doesn't make sense


mtierney said:

”fabricating facts, aka lying, should not get a pass for POTUS.

mtierney posted under multiple user names for years. Perhaps this is a split personality sort of thing. Was it IM80 who gave Trump a pass for his thousands and thousands of lies while it is mtierney who is now hanging on Biden’s every word?


ridski said:

I don't think anyone's giving Biden a "pass," just that you didn't say anything about the lies President Trump said so you don't really have much of a moral leg to stand on. 

And Trump's lies were and still are detrimental to public health and democracy.


Haven't checked this thread in a long time.

Are posts here now supposed to make sense?


mtierney said:

 fabricating facts, aka lying, should not get a pass for POTUS.
again, complete lack of self-awareness.

I mean, c'mon.

STANV said:

Haven't checked this thread in a long time.

Are posts here now supposed to make sense?

No. This whole thread is a long-form exercise in absurd improvisational comedy.


ridski said:

I don't think anyone's giving Biden a "pass," just that you didn't say anything about the lies President Trump said so you don't really have much of a moral leg to stand on. 

That is a very convoluted statement, Ridski.

By your “reasoning,” I cannot comment on the current President’s statements/misstatements/aka fibs,  because you believe I failed to call Trump out for statements you took to be lies.  

Have I got that right?


mtierney said:

ridski said:

I don't think anyone's giving Biden a "pass," just that you didn't say anything about the lies President Trump said so you don't really have much of a moral leg to stand on. 

That is a very convoluted statement, Ridski.

By your “reasoning,” I cannot comment on the current President’s statements/misstatements/aka fibs,  because you believe I failed to call Trump out for statements you took to be lies.  

Have I got that right?

No. You can comment all you want. But no one believes you actually give a crap about presidential lying because you never were bothered when Trump did it.

even now, you 're saying his lies were actually just "statements you took to be lies", as if there is some debate about the tens of thousands of lies he told while President.


mtierney said:

That is a very convoluted statement, Ridski.

By your “reasoning,” I cannot comment on the current President’s statements/misstatements/aka fibs,  because you believe I failed to call Trump out for statements you took to be lies.  

Have I got that right?

really! So you actually believe trumpenstein when he speaks… every time…trumpenstein is like a cartoon character anyway. Maybe that’s it! 

OMG


mtierney said:

That is a very convoluted statement, Ridski.

By your “reasoning,” I cannot comment on the current President’s statements/misstatements/aka fibs,  because you believe I failed to call Trump out for statements you took to be lies.  

Have I got that right?

Not even now can you even imagine that Trump lied to everyone about everything, but here's a story that's on a par with the Biden tale you've taken umbrage with:

In 2013, David Trott who was running for the House from Michigan, organized a Lincoln Day dinner for Republicans and Oakland County and invited Donald Trump. Trump made a rambling speech and at the end Trott gave him a framed copy of the Gettysburg Address and some other tchotchkes and that was that.

3 years later that event turns into Trump winning a made-up award called Michigan Man Of The Year, and now the year it happened is placed in the story as anywhere between 2007 and 2014. And during his campaign and presidency, he repeats that he has won this completely fictional award no fewer than 29 times.

So I did a search for "man of the year" and your name here and came up with nothing. Why? 

When he first mentioned it, he was only 70, so obviously age had nothing to do with his inability to remember what actually happened, so he was lying to everyone. He was trying to make himself sound better than he was. And yet you felt no need to call him out on it at all. In fact, here's nohero in September 2020 pointing one of those instances where he told the story in this thread: https://maplewood.worldwebs.com/forums/discussion/what-is-being-said-in-the-rose-garden-what-s-happening-in-washington?page=next&limit=24540#discussion-replies-3525408

And here's you 4 hours and 2 posts later completely ignoring it: https://maplewood.worldwebs.com/forums/discussion/what-is-being-said-in-the-rose-garden-what-s-happening-in-washington?page=next&limit=24540#discussion-replies-3525427

So, what gives mtierney? In your words, "who or what can explain or interpret this behavior?"


In the quest for common ground, can we all agree that Alex Jones should burn in Hell (real or metaphorical) for all of eternity?

I was delighted by the jury award today. 


mtierney said:

POTUS turns 80 next month; he will turn 82 in 2024.

math.

question


ridski said:

I don't think anyone's giving Biden a "pass," just that you didn't say anything about the lies President Trump said so you don't really have much of a moral leg to stand on. 

for me, it's more like whether or not Biden is making up stories to deceive people about something important. And how important is it in 2022 whether or not Joe got arrested at a civil rights demonstration 60 years ago?

I'm thinking not very. Just as among all of TFG's Mt. Everest of lies, the most trivial was his claim to have been Michigan's Man of the Year (an award that apparently doesn't exist).


GoSlugs said:

In the quest for common ground, can we all agree that Alex Jones should burn in Hell (real or metaphorical) for all of eternity?

I was delighted by the jury award today. 

unfortunately, his followers will just see this as the continued persecution of the cult leader.


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