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paulsurovell said:

paulsurovell said:

How many charging stations have been built under Biden's plan?

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/11/business/tesla-opening-charger-network/index.html

That's a stupid argument. If you want to know what the plan and timetable is for expanding public availability to charging stations, read something.  Here's one suggestion - Biden Administration Allocates $900 Million for Electric Vehicle Chargers | Smart News| Smithsonian Magazine

As for the article you linked, you should read that, too. As described in that article, Tesla is agreeing to let other charging stations use its design for a charging cord, so that Tesla owners will be better able to access all the existing charging stations and all the new ones that will be built.

In other words, to get ready to use all the charging stations to be "built under Biden's plan".

Corporate media pushes Musk Bad, @nohero pushes Musk Bad. Nothing good, not even a nuance. Just Musk Bad, Tesla Bad.

My post doesn't say "Musk Bad". My post provides the accurate point of the article you cited but didn't properly explain.  And (once again), this is a message board, so when you lie about what someone posted, it's obvious.  


paulsurovell said:

drummerboy said:

whoopsie

https://www.reuters.com/technology/musks-neuralink-faces-federal-probe-employee-backlash-over-animal-tests-2022-12-05/

Dec 5 (Reuters) - Elon Musk’s Neuralink, a medical device
company, is under federal investigation for potential animal-welfare
violations amid internal staff complaints that its animal testing is
being rushed, causing needless suffering and deaths, according to
documents reviewed by Reuters and sources familiar with the
investigation and company operations.

Do you eat meat produced in factory farms?

https://animalequality.org/news/why-factory-farming-is-the-largest-cause-of-animal-abuse-in-history/

whataboutwhataboutwhatabout


paulsurovell said:

Here are some more employers that you should beat up on (unfortunately Tesla isn't on either list)

https://moneyinc.com/worst-companies-to-work-for-in-2022/

https://nationalcosh.org/sites/default/files/uploads/2022_Dirty_Dozen.pdf

When you start lauding the owners of those companies as you do Musk, I'll keep this list in mind.


paulsurovell said:

nohero said:

Elon kept the Muskovites waiting all day yesterday for "Episode 2", but last night told them that it's still "Coming Soon". After seeing the critical reaction to Episode 1 ("The Phantom Menace"), they probably realized they needed to do a little more work on it than just declaring it a "bombshell".

The delay had nothing to do with the "critical reaction"

You're saying that Taibbi started releasing his "Twitter Files" piece without even reading all of the material from the Twitter files. In other words, he printed whatever Elon gave him. That's not "journalism".

Maybe Taibbi should have used his own journalism skills, whatever they are, to vet the information instead of just accepting the package from Elon without knowing anything else.

As for this latest excuse for the "nothingburger" that the "Twitter Files" are so far - that's just bull caca. Don't be the type of "low information" person who accepts that. A general counsel is supposed to keep track of what company information is released to the public. 


paulsurovell said:

ml1 said:

nohero said:

I don't know if that shows a "G_d complex", but there's a strong whiff of eugenics. And his argument that there will be a "risk to civilization" if population doesn't increase (a great risk than climate change, he says) sounds more like a complaint about the risk to "Western" civilization if "European" peoples don't increase their population.

given that the earth's population continues to increase, and all projections are for it to continue to increase, I think the only logical inference from what Musk is saying is that he thinks the risk is falling birth rates among the "right" kind of people.

What language in his tweets gives you that impression?

What is your alternative explanation, Paul, to excuse the clear import of what Musk has written?


paulsurovell said:

Corporate media pushes Musk Bad, @nohero pushes Musk Bad. Nothing good, not even a nuance. Just Musk Bad, Tesla Bad.

Dr. Fauci's daughter is a software engineer, who at the start of the Covid-19 pandemic had been working at the Twitter for a number of years.  She was not involved in any policy or legal or content decisions. It was not a secret, and had even been reported years ago. Also, she left the Twitter for another job during the pandemic.

But the online hatemongers recently grabbed hold of it to make false insinuations, and Musk amplified that. 

Musk himself provides support for the "Musk bad" theme. There's no "nuance" in his blatant endorsement of conspiracy theories like this.


paulsurovell said:

Funny, Macron doesn't seem worried. And the Italians want Musk to invest there too https://cleantechnica.com/2022/12/03/italian-minister-opens-doors-wide-for-tesla-musk/


Italian government with roots in fascism encourages Tesla to invest is perhaps not the resounding clap-back you were going for.


PVW said:

paulsurovell said:

Funny, Macron doesn't seem worried. And the Italians want Musk to invest there too https://cleantechnica.com/2022/12/03/italian-minister-opens-doors-wide-for-tesla-musk/

Italian government with roots in fascism encourages Tesla to invest is perhaps not he resounding clap-back you were going for.

And why is it notable in this context that Macron, never known for his concern about workers, doesn’t seem worried?


I'm a little behind - has episode 2 dropped yet from Taibbi?

This was a good overview:


paulsurovell said:

ml1 said:

nohero said:

paulsurovell said:

Your link didn't work, but I found the tweet. And the follow-up. Where's the "G_d complex"?

I don't know if that shows a "G_d complex", but there's a strong whiff of eugenics. And his argument that there will be a "risk to civilization" if population doesn't increase (a great risk than climate change, he says) sounds more like a complaint about the risk to "Western" civilization if "European" peoples don't increase their population.

given that the earth's population continues to increase, and all projections are for it to continue to increase, I think the only logical inference from what Musk is saying is that he thinks the risk is falling birth rates among the "right" kind of people.

What language in his tweets gives you that impression?

it's not his language. It's that he's wrong about the planet's population crashing.


paulsurovell said:

Did Elon take over the NY Times?

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/06/media/new-york-times-union-negotiations-reliable-sources/index.html

and Buzzfeed?

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/06/media/buzzfeed-job-cuts/index.html

and CNN?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11504121/CNN-boss-Chris-Licht-forced-hire-extra-security-gutted-hundreds-network-staff.html

Or are they just Elon wannabes?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/cnn-gannett-other-media-giants-resort-to-layoffs-ahead-of-potential-downturn-11670043844

like I said, your Musk posts are just an embarrassment after embarrassment.

did any of those listed corporation cut their staff in half, and practically randomly at that?

anyway, Musk's labor problems have nothing to do with layoffs, so your post is a non sequitur.

but keep posting here. it's a laugh riot.


DaveSchmidt said:

PVW said:

paulsurovell said:

Funny, Macron doesn't seem worried. And the Italians want Musk to invest there too https://cleantechnica.com/2022/12/03/italian-minister-opens-doors-wide-for-tesla-musk/

Italian government with roots in fascism encourages Tesla to invest is perhaps not he resounding clap-back you were going for.

And why is it notable in this context that Macron, never known for his concern about workers, doesn’t seem worried?

To be clear, Dave, here's the full quote.

paulsurovell said:

PVW said:

Musk's crusade against workers is broader than Twitter, of course. In countries where workers have more power and are less willing to put up with Muskian nonsense, we get stories like this:

Tesla’s Berlin Hub Can’t Hire Enough People, or Keep Them
(Wired)

Funny, Macron doesn't seem worried. And the Italians want Musk to invest there too https://cleantechnica.com/2022/12/03/italian-minister-opens-doors-wide-for-tesla-musk/

But since citing Macron (and France) wasn't enough to counter the attempt to associate Elon's interest in investing in Italy with anti-worker / "fascism" it turns out that Elon fits in perfectly with Biden admin policy and goals toward Italian investment (under Meloni):
https://'swww.state.gov/first-u-s-meeting-of-the-transatlantic-investment-committee-at-the-italian-embassy/

Under Secretary Fernandez’s Remarks at the First U.S. Meeting of the Transatlantic Investment Committee at the Italian Embassy

Thank you, Ambassador Zappía, for your kind words. I’m so glad to be here, especially this week to reinforce our strong relationship with Italy as we welcome Prime Minister Meloni’s new government. The United States looks forward to continuing our vital work together supporting Ukraine and democratic values, countering the PRC’s malign activities, and advancing our shared interests around the world.

So I’m delighted to join the first U.S.-based meeting of the Transatlantic Investment Committee, because direct investment is a cornerstone of our longstanding friendship and economic partnership.

U.S. companies have more than $28 billion invested in Italy, and Italian companies have invested more than $34 billion in the U.S. economy. Those are sizeable numbers and I know they don’t reflect a lot of investment via third countries, but there is still a lot more we can do in both directions.

U.S. companies are increasingly enthusiastic about investment prospects in Italy, particularly as a result of the reforms your government is implementing under of the National Recovery and Resilience Plan.

We share your conviction that those reforms and critical investments in infrastructure will make the Italian economy more competitive, resilient, and sustainable.

And as my colleague Jasjit Singh from SelectUSA will tell you in a minute, it is a great moment for Italian companies to invest in the American economy.

We have created unprecedented incentives for domestic production in semiconductors, electric vehicles, and other industries of the future. And the recent historic infrastructure bill will make it more efficient than ever to create value in the United States.

The reforms and investments both of our countries are making in our own economies are vital to catalyze long-term growth and safeguard our national security.

Russia’s brutal war in Ukraine, and the People’s Republic of China’s use of industrial espionage around the world have made clear that our legacy supply chains require major changes and we must do more to protect our intellectual property rights.

Your government has provided an excellent example of the actions that likeminded countries need to take to safeguard national economic security.

From the prudent scrutiny of sensitive industries and procurement you conduct under the Golden Power authority, to the rapid moves you’ve made to secure new natural gas supplies in the wake of Russia’s war, your bold moves have made Italy a safer, more sustainable place to invest.

That’s why the Transatlantic Investment Committee’s launch could not come at a more important moment. Italy is one of the United States’ closest partners in the world, and it is critical that our nations deepen linkages that will make our economies more resilient and less dependent on strategic competitors who do not uphold international norms and standards.

Earlier this week President Biden congratulated Prime Minister Meloni and reaffirmed our commitment to build upon our close partnership in the face of pandemic recovery, Russia’s war of aggression in Ukraine, climate change, and other global challenges.

There is no doubt that our economic relationship is at the core of that partnership, and expanding bilateral investment is central to strengthening that bond and safeguarding our shared national interests.

Thank you once again, Ambassador Zappía, for the opportunity to join this important endeavor.


Here's a story about another "non-fascist" leader inviting Elon to visit to help fight climate change:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-05/musk-tells-spain-to-invest-in-solar-premier-invites-him-over


Here's a story about how Elon helped "non-fascist" Australia deal with energy problems using Tesla's solar and battery technology.

https://electrek.co/2022/04/27/tesla-expands-virtual-power-plant-new-regions-australia/


drummerboy said:

paulsurovell said:

Did Elon take over the NY Times?

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/06/media/new-york-times-union-negotiations-reliable-sources/index.html

and Buzzfeed?

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/06/media/buzzfeed-job-cuts/index.html

and CNN?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11504121/CNN-boss-Chris-Licht-forced-hire-extra-security-gutted-hundreds-network-staff.html

Or are they just Elon wannabes?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/cnn-gannett-other-media-giants-resort-to-layoffs-ahead-of-potential-downturn-11670043844

like I said, your Musk posts are just an embarrassment after embarrassment.

did any of those listed corporation cut their staff in half, and practically randomly at that?

anyway, Musk's labor problems have nothing to do with layoffs, so your post is a non sequitur.

but keep posting here. it's a laugh riot.

Every other media company laying off -- or refusing to negotiate -- and nobody cares (except Licht who had to hire extra security). Only Musk gets vilified. Because Corporate Media Good, Musk Bad.

Twitter should have collapsed by now according to the Musk haters. Larry Bird is trending at 9100 tweets. Must all be Russian bots.


drummerboy said:

paulsurovell said:

drummerboy said:

whoopsie

https://www.reuters.com/technology/musks-neuralink-faces-federal-probe-employee-backlash-over-animal-tests-2022-12-05/

Dec 5 (Reuters) - Elon Musk’s Neuralink, a medical device
company, is under federal investigation for potential animal-welfare
violations amid internal staff complaints that its animal testing is
being rushed, causing needless suffering and deaths, according to
documents reviewed by Reuters and sources familiar with the
investigation and company operations.

Do you eat meat produced in factory farms?

https://animalequality.org/news/why-factory-farming-is-the-largest-cause-of-animal-abuse-in-history/

whataboutwhataboutwhatabout

But why do you care about the thousands of animals at Neuralink and not the tens of millions of animals in factory farming?


paulsurovell said:

But why do you care about the thousands of animals at Neuralink and not the tens of millions of animals in factory farming?

who says I don't care about factory farming?

but that's not the point. If you had read the neuralink article, you would have seen that the animals are probably being harmed by Musk's admonitions for his workers to speed up, not only harming the animals, but also creating shoddy work. But who cares, they're only going to insert these devices in people's brains.


All Paul has is whataboutism. Whataboutism is inherently a weak argument, because it implicitly concedes the justice of the accusation, seeking to deflect rather than defend or deny. The attempt to yell "hypocrisy" especially falls short when one has also tried to defend one's own inconsistency by citing Emerson.


PVW said:

All Paul has is whataboutism. Whataboutism is inherently a weak argument, because it implicitly concedes the justice of the accusation, seeking to deflect rather than defend or deny. The attempt to yell "hypocrisy" especially falls short when one has also tried to defend one's own inconsistency by citing Emerson.

When you disparage Elon for investing in a country with an alleged "fascist" leader, it's appropriate to put that disparagement in context by pointing out that the Biden admin is encouraging American companies to invest in the same country under the same leader.

Left alone, your remark is a distortion of the story.


drummerboy said:

paulsurovell said:

But why do you care about the thousands of animals at Neuralink and not the tens of millions of animals in factory farming?

who says I don't care about factory farming?

but that's not the point. If you had read the neuralink article, you would have seen that the animals are probably being harmed by Musk's admonitions for his workers to speed up, not only harming the animals, but also creating shoddy work. But who cares, they're only going to insert these devices in people's brains.

Well you do seem to care more about allegations of a few thousand than about tens of millions that have been documented for years.

And thanks for the "probably".

The devices won't go in anyone's brain until the FDA approves. And if they work, it will be another huge contribution to humanity by Elon Musk. But you won't give him credit for what he's already done, so I'm sure you'll find a way to spin that into a negative. Because Musk Bad.  Although by then, maybe you'll have grown out of it.


paulsurovell said:

Left alone, your remark is a distortion of the story.

PVW: Musk’s crusade against workers is broader than Twitter.

You: What about his embrace by two countries whose leaders have crusaded against workers?


paulsurovell said:

Well you do seem to care more about allegations of a few thousand than about tens of millions that have been documented for years.


This is a thread about Twitter and Musk. If you'd like, you can start a thread about the meat industry. 


drummerboy said:

paulsurovell said:

Well you do seem to care more about allegations of a few thousand than about tens of millions that have been documented for years.


This is a thread about Twitter and Musk. If you'd like, you can start a thread about the meat industry. 

It's not just an animal welfare story.  It's a story about deliberate violation of the law and about corporate management encouraging dangerous shortcuts during product development. From the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (with a "mission to advocate for ethical research, end animal cruelty, and promote plant-based nutrition" - PSRM.org):


Elon "trolling" his critics on the Twitter with a little "Pepe the Frog" meme. I didn't know what it was supposed to be, either, but looked at the replies to find out. 


I appreciate the irony in the fact that I did not use twitter because I found it a loud, chaotic near dumpster-fire, but now that Musk's thrown $44bn onto the pyre and made it a real dumpster fire I can't look away. For those suffering from the same problem, more ways to indulge:

https://twitterisgoinggreat.com/


PVW said:

I appreciate the irony in the fact that I did not use twitter because I found it a loud, chaotic near dumpster-fire, but now that Musk's thrown $44bn onto the pyre and made it a real dumpster fire I can't look away. For those suffering from the same problem, more ways to indulge:

https://twitterisgoinggreat.com/

Oh the humanity ...


Whatever one says about Elon and labor, you can't deny that he is proudly "not woke". 

"Woke" as defined by Ron DeSantis's counsel the other day - "the belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them."

What does 'woke' mean? Gov. DeSantis officials answer during Andrew Warren trial (fox13news.com)


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