Fascism arrives in full swing (was The most important thing right now....)

terp said:

 I guess that's what makes it so hilarious.   

At 20, I thought lots of things were hilarious that seemed not so funny later on.  


DaveSchmidt said:

“Simply put, the legislation gives officers NO ability to safely intercede to preserve property in the midst of a large, violent crowd.”

The “safely” part refers to the officers, of course, not to the crowd, the idea being that it surrenders any claim to safety because of its violence. Blue Checkmark Mike doesn’t frame it this way, but the question is this: Is protecting property from damage, as the Seattle chief would have it, worth the risk of serious injury, or worse, to people in the crowd? Or is it better, as it appears the Council would have it, to risk letting stores be destroyed as long as no one is seriously injured?

 This has been going on for what?   10 weeks?  Property is being destroyed. People are being hurt and sometimes killed.  And you are fine with this?  What about the rights of those people trying in very tough times to make a go of it.  Where does this all lead?

I know you think you are defending the righteous, but you are just defending the mob.  They may not greet you in a friendly manner.


DaveSchmidt said:

terp said:

 I guess that's what makes it so hilarious.   

At 20, I thought lots of things were hilarious that seemed not so funny later on.  

 Funny how you didn't come to the defense of Samantha Pfefferle.  BTW:  Samantha wrote an article describing her experience with Marquette.

On June 7, I showed my support for Trump with a TikTok video: I danced with the Trump 2020 flag and a Marquette University poster in the background. The video ­caption said: “When people see that I support Trump. Then try to hate on me, and think I’ll change my views.”

Two students found the video online and tried to turn my life upside down. One called for me to be blackballed by all sororities and clubs. Another put together a pre-scripted e-mail, which her followers sent to Marquette faculty by the hundreds.

Other students attacked a TikTok comment I made about illegal immigration, because I used the term “illegal immigrant” instead of “undocumented immigrant.” Another highlighted a flippant comment I made on YouTube eight months ago about a pair of size-13 heels I found at a thrift store and referred to as “cross-dressing shoes.” I was told my comments were tantamount to ­violence against tall women and trans people.

The administration at Marquette took the side of those trying to cancel me. In July, the dean of undergraduate admissions, Brian Troyer, and the associate dean of students, Erin Lazzar, ­arranged a Zoom meeting with me. “The content you are pushing out has created this environment that is contrary to a learning environment that we hope our students are ­engaged in,” Lazzar said.

They were referring to my ­social-media support for the president, my belief that biological sex is immutable and my restrictionist position on illegal immigration — all views held by tens of millions of our fellow citizens on issues over which people can reasonably disagree.

During the discussion, the ­administrators emphasized that I wasn’t yet a student and that my admission wasn’t finalized. This implied threat came despite the fact that I had accepted my admissions offer, submitted the $500 ­deposit to secure my position and paid for my housing.

If I were to sum up cancel culture it is this.  People will likely be more outraged about some of this young individual with a cervix's comments than they will be by the harrassment.  That or they will deny the harrassment ever happened.


More framing by the corporate media. Note how they print facts without telling the truth in order to push a narrative. 


terp said:

I know you think you are defending the righteous, but you are just defending the mob. They may not greet you in a friendly manner.

I put the chief’s letter in terms of a question it raises (without providing an answer myself). I think that’s a fairer way to consider it than the fear mongering promoted by Blue Checkmark Mike.

Funny how you didn't come to the defense of Samantha Pfefferle.

I guess that’s what makes me so hilarious.


terp said:

More framing by the corporate media. Note how they print facts without telling the truth in order to push a narrative. 

 What's the point of this post? What "truth" are they not telling?


What’s the big beef with profit-making corporations? Should we only get our news now from samaritans who give it away for free? 


ridski said:

What’s the big beef with profit-making corporations? Should we only get our news now from samaritans who give it away for free? 

Profit seeking, especially among the cable networks,  turns "news" into slop for the masses, and worst of all, mostly prevents airing any news that would hurt corporate and elite power.

But I'm pretty sure you know that.


terp said:

this one is almost funny

 The last line in the tweet you quoted says, "You couldn't make this up".

Maybe you could.  


drummerboy said:

terp said:

More framing by the corporate media. Note how they print facts without telling the truth in order to push a narrative. 

 What's the point of this post? What "truth" are they not telling?

Maybe Mr. Terp thought this should be in the headline, instead of after the description of what happened: " 'Very candidly, we don't know, at this point in the investigation, what the motive was, what the reasoning was,' Capt. Ron Mead of the Washington State Patrol said at a news conference."


nohero said:

 The last line in the tweet you quoted says, "You couldn't make this up".

Maybe you could.  

 Did you read the responses at all?  Here's the first one.


ridski said:

What’s the big beef with profit-making corporations? Should we only get our news now from samaritans who give it away for free? 

 My big beef is that people seem to accept that they are just reporting the news.  I have not asked for them to be put out of business.  However, it is fair game to call out their tendencies to push an agenda and report facts without reporting truth.  It's really not that complicated.


nohero said:

drummerboy said:

terp said:

More framing by the corporate media. Note how they print facts without telling the truth in order to push a narrative. 

 What's the point of this post? What "truth" are they not telling?

Maybe Mr. Terp thought this should be in the headline, instead of after the description of what happened: " 'Very candidly, we don't know, at this point in the investigation, what the motive was, what the reasoning was,' Capt. Ron Mead of the Washington State Patrol said at a news conference."

 If you do some research you will find that the driver was a black man.  Well ****.  We can't play the race card!  I know!  We'll play the class card. 


DaveSchmidt said:

terp said:

I know you think you are defending the righteous, but you are just defending the mob. They may not greet you in a friendly manner.

I put the chief’s letter in terms of a question it raises (without providing an answer myself). I think that’s a fairer way to consider it than the fear mongering promoted by Blue Checkmark Mike.

Funny how you didn't come to the defense of Samantha Pfefferle.

I guess that’s what makes me so hilarious.

 You're really not funny


terp said:

 report facts without reporting truth

 That's twice that you've used that phrase.  I have no idea what this means. Are there any very stable geniuses here who can help?


terp said:

nohero said:

drummerboy said:

terp said:

More framing by the corporate media. Note how they print facts without telling the truth in order to push a narrative. 

 What's the point of this post? What "truth" are they not telling?

Maybe Mr. Terp thought this should be in the headline, instead of after the description of what happened: " 'Very candidly, we don't know, at this point in the investigation, what the motive was, what the reasoning was,' Capt. Ron Mead of the Washington State Patrol said at a news conference."

 If you do some research you will find that the driver was a black man.  Well ****.  We can't play the race card!  I know!  We'll play the class card. 

That has nothing to do with my response.  

[Edited to add] Did I miss some detail or inaccuracy in the article?  Or is there some other basis for the reply about "Well ****. We can't play the race card! I know! We'll play the class card"


terp said:

 Did you read the responses at all?  Here's the first one.

 Two thoughts -

1.  Yes, I did read the responses to the tweet.

2.  Please tell me how that is relevant to my post about the tweet.


oh look. The Feds leave Portland and the violence ends.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/with-no-federal-agents-on-streets-portland-protests-turn-largely-peaceful-11596393022

Advocating violence is always a touchy subject, but damn, if there's one thing that might justify a violent reaction it's the appearance of a secret, violent police force on your streets.


nohero said:

[Edited to add] Did I miss some detail or inaccuracy in the article?  Or is there some other basis for the reply about "Well ****. We can't play the race card! I know! We'll play the class card"

You don’t often see “luxury car” specified in the lede and subheadline of a vehicular homicide story. 


DaveSchmidt said:

nohero said:

[Edited to add] Did I miss some detail or inaccuracy in the article?  Or is there some other basis for the reply about "Well ****. We can't play the race card! I know! We'll play the class card"

You don’t often see “luxury car” specified in the lede and subheadline of a vehicular homicide story. 

I don't know how I was supposed to know that "luxury car" was the offending detail?  The post about it was pretty vague - 

terp said:

More framing by the corporate media. Note how they print facts without telling the truth in order to push a narrative.  


drummerboy said:

oh look. The Feds leave Portland and the violence ends.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/with-no-federal-agents-on-streets-portland-protests-turn-largely-peaceful-11596393022

Advocating violence is always a touchy subject, but damn, if there's one thing that might justify a violent reaction it's the appearance of a secret, violent police force on your streets.

 There you go again trusting that liberal rag.  


Huh...


Red_Barchetta said:

terp said:

 report facts without reporting truth

 That's twice that you've used that phrase.  I have no idea what this means. Are there any very stable geniuses here who can help?

 The "truth" are the "facts" with which you agree.

In today's America there are alternate sets of facts. Therefore there are different versions of truth.


terp said:

Huh...

Yet again, I am baffled by the point of your post.

You show us police behaving like bullies.

Your point?


My point is don't believe everything you read in the corporate press. Perhaps this clip is more to your liking?


are you kidding me with that clip? It shows what? Those are "fires"? That was a "rioter"?

Andy Ngo is such a clown.


What is the "corporate" press? Are there newspapers and websites owned by individual proprietors or partnerships and not Corporations or Limited Liability Companies?

Are we to put more trust into individuals on Twitter and the like rather than Newspapers and News Broadcasters, whether Left, Right or Center?


One hour before “Huh”



and right on cue


drummerboy said:

are you kidding me with that clip? It shows what? Those are "fires"? That was a "rioter"?

Andy Ngo is such a clown.

 I've seen bigger fires in the parking lot before a Giants game.


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