"The Ukrainian Job" - or - Russian Propaganda About 2016 Election Interference, Now Being Used By Trump Defenders
Ted Cruz: “The president released a transcript of the phone call.”
No, he didn’t. The White House released a reconstruction, not a transcript.
“Of course Russia interfered in our election. Nobody who has looked at the evidence disputes that,” Cruz added. (Well, maybe not “nobody.”) Unfortunately, Chuck Todd kept interrupting, or else Cruz would have elaborated on all the differences between Ukrainian interference and Russian interference, so that we were all clear he wasn’t trying to equate the two or minimize the latter.
DaveSchmidt said:
Ted Cruz: “The president released a transcript of the phone call.”
No, he didn’t. The White House released a reconstruction, not a transcript.
“Of course Russia interfered in our election. Nobody who has looked at the evidence disputes that,” Cruz added. (Well, maybe not “nobody.”) Unfortunately, Chuck Todd kept interrupting, or else Cruz would have elaborated on all the differences between Ukrainian interference and Russian interference, so that we were all clear he wasn’t trying to equate the two or minimize the latter.
Here's the key exchange:
CHUCK TODD:
Do you believe Ukraine meddled in the American election in 2016?
SEN. TED CRUZ:
I do. And I think there's considerable evidence of that.
CHUCK TODD:
You do? You do?
. . . as though Cruz had committed heresy (which actually in terms of the media narrative he did).
And later, Chuck injects the Fiona Hill-based media mantra to shut down discussion of Ukraine interference that says if you say that Ukraine interfered in the 2016 election you are working for Russia.
https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meet-press-transcripts-n51976
CHUCK TODD:
Okay, so did you get the briefing, from the intel community, that said, the Russian intelligence services are trying to actively use this Ukraine story to frame Ukraine for the Russian -- for the interference in 2016?
Chuck is a propagandist, not a journalist, who is desperately trying to distort and shut down discussion of Ukraine's interference in 2016 because, although Ukraine doesn't diminish the Russia narrative, it puts the media coverage of that Russia narrative (in which Chuck was point person) in a questionable light.
paulsurovell said:
Here's another instance of Rudy in Kyiv, with the prosecutor who Biden demanded that Poroshenko fire in order to receive US aid of $1 billion.
"One America News" with an exclusive (with Rudy on-camera sitting at the table) with the fired corrupt Ukrainian prosecutor who says, "I was told that Biden wanted me to stop investigating Burisma".
Clearly an unimpeachable source.
paulsurovell said:
And later, Chuck injects the Fiona Hill-based media mantra to shut down discussion of Ukraine interference that says if you say that Ukraine interfered in the 2016 election you are working for Russia.
https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meet-press-transcripts-n51976
CHUCK TODD:Okay, so did you get the briefing, from the intel community, that said, the Russian intelligence services are trying to actively use this Ukraine story to frame Ukraine for the Russian -- for the interference in 2016?
Leaving aside the "Jimmy Dore-like" commentary from Paul, it's not accurate to say the question is based on "the Fiona Hill-based media mantra". Dr. Hill did note that she was recounting determinations made by the intelligence community, but it's not HER mantra. Labeling it as Dr. Hill's determination, as if that somehow makes it less valid, carries more than a whiff of misogyny.
Thanks for the transcript, it makes clear what Cruz is trying to do.
SEN. TED CRUZ:
Look, on the evidence, Russia clearly interfered in our election. But here's the game the media is playing. Because Russia interfered, the media pretends nobody else did. Ukraine blatantly interfered in our election. The sitting ambassador from Ukraine wrote an op-ed blasting Donald Trump --
CHUCK TODD:
Do you know why --
SEN. TED CRUZ:
-- during the election season. --
CHUCK TODD:
Do you know why he did that?
SEN. TED CRUZ:-- That is unusual.
CHUCK TODD:
What did Donald Trump, what did Donald Trump, as a candidate, say about Ukraine and Crimea during the election that might've inspired the ambassador?
SEN. TED CRUZ:
So you're saying they had disagreements with Donald Trump --
CHUCK TODD:No, I’m just saying --
SEN. TED CRUZ:-- and they wanted Hillary Clinton to get elected.
Ted Cruz is desperate to NOT address Chuck Todd's legitimate question ("So you're saying" instead of answering the question, "Do you know why he did that?"). Otherwise, he would have to admit what the ambassador had actually written, on a matter which would surprise NOBODY. If Cruz had, he would have looked absurd to equate that with what Russia did ("Russia clearly interfered/Ukraine blatanty interfered").
paulsurovell said:
Here's another instance of Rudy in Kyiv, with the prosecutor who Biden demanded that Poroshenko fire in order to receive US aid of $1 billion.
Holy cow. It's an episode of "Rudy Giuliani, International Man of Mystery"!
Like an SNL skit, this OAN “investigation” is batshit insane: + Within hours of reports of their visit, 1,000 troops were “patrolling” Kyiv + That prompted them to charter a “midnight jet to Vienna, and we sped to the airport” + “We came upon an entourage of Black Mercedes...” pic.twitter.com/GJzM0rvHtm
And special guest appearance by GEORGE SOROS!
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+ “Security escorted us away from the vehicles.” + Spotted at the scene: Ukrainian oligarch Viktor Pinchuk entering one of the vehicles and George Soros, too...!! pic.twitter.com/DaEOYUi7nK
Rudy Giuliani Teams Up With a Seth Rich Conspiracy Theorist to Save Trump
"Rudy Giuliani has found a new ally in his globe-trotting attempts to fight President Trump’s impeachment, teaming up with a cable-news reporter and conspiracy-theory political cartoonist who has suggested that Hillary Clinton killed Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich and that Democrats eat people.
In his quest to defend Trump and dig up dirt on his political opponents, Giuliani has enlisted a wide variety of characters in both the United States and Europe. Now he’s placing a big bet on Chanel Rion, a One America News host who dabbles in bizarre conspiracy theories."
"Before joining OAN in May, Rion developed some level of notoriety on the internet for her bizarre political cartoons, in a self-published set of online cartoons dubbed “The Left Edge.” In one, Rion promoted the conspiracy theory that Clinton was behind the unsolved murder of DNC staffer Rich, which police have concluded was a botched robbery. In another, she referenced “spirit cooking”—the baseless claim, popular with believers in the Pizzagate conspiracy theory, that top Democratic officials are involved in Satanic cannibalistic sacrifices."
"Rudy Giuliani joined cable news network One America News (OAN) and its White House correspondent, conspiracy theory purveyor Chanel Rion, for a series of interviews which allegedly “destroy” the case for Democrats’ impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump."
"As previously reported by Law&Crime, Giuliani has also been accused of leveraging his “pro bono” legal work at Trump’s personal attorney to have Lutsenko sign a lucrative contract with one of Giuliani’s personal businesses.
But the clear conflicts of interest presented by the president’s personal attorney conducting a series of interviews with key figures in the impeachment inquiry are not the only difficulties facing Giuliani’s latest venture. Rion is known for promoting conspiracy theories and having a major story retracted."
nohero said:
And special guest appearance by GEORGE SOROS!
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How a conspiracy theory about George Soros is fueling allegations of Ukraine collusion
"WASHINGTON — An associate traveling with Rudy Giuliani in Ukraine this week has voiced an unusual theory for why he may not be able to return to the United States: “Soros people,” he says, are working to discredit him and may block his visa.
Andriy Telizhenko, a former Ukrainian diplomat who has alleged Ukraine’s government conspired with Democrats in 2016, said he’s been told that people associated with liberal megadonor George Soros, including former Ukrainian politicians, are working against him — possibly because he’s helping Giuliani continue investigating President Donald Trump’s political opponents and undermine the credibility of the House impeachment inquiry.
“Soros people are trying to discredit my reputation with lies and then will try to block me,” he said in a text message to NBC News from Kyiv. He did not name any individually or provide proof other than to say some were writing about him online.
It was far from the first time that Soros, a billionaire philanthropist and a frequent target of conspiracies about Jews controlling the world, has popped up as part of a conspiracy theory portraying Soros as using Ukraine as a playing field to undermine Trump’s campaign. The president’s allies and other Republicans have been working to tie Soros to nefarious plots to intervene in U.S. affairs for a full year — or even longer.
When Fiona Hill, then a National Security Council official, started hearing early in 2019 about a smear campaign against a colleague in Ukraine invoking Soros, she had a sinking feeling: She’d heard this before."
continued:
cramer said:
Rudy Giuliani Teams Up With a Seth Rich Conspiracy Theorist to Save Trump
"Rudy Giuliani has found a new ally in his globe-trotting attempts to fight President Trump’s impeachment, teaming up with a cable-news reporter and conspiracy-theory political cartoonist who has suggested that Hillary Clinton killed Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich
Of COURSE that's who Paul wants us to rely on.
"THE KYIV POST (Ukraine) in MAY: Corrupt Ukrainian Prosecutor in League With Rudy Giuliani, Who Has Admitted Lying About Biden to Aid Trump, Prepared Memo Outlining Criminal Charges Against Joe Biden and Secretly Submitted Them to Trump's "Team" in May 2019"
https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1203797230408421376 - READ THE THREAD - there's too much to quote. Note that the thread starts with a May article in the Kiev Post, which is quoted in part below. But read the Twitter thread which is linked above.
"A memo allegedly leaked from the Prosecutor General’s Office of Ukraine shows that prosecutors are accusing former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden of receiving “an unlawful benefit” from former Ukrainian Ecology Minister Mykola Zlochevsky’s Burisma Group, and oil and gas producer.
According to the document, Ukraine’s Prosecutor General’s Office also accuses Zlochevsky of offering Biden and former U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry a share of Burisma Group’s profits."
nohero said:
paulsurovell said:
And later, Chuck injects the Fiona Hill-based media mantra to shut down discussion of Ukraine interference that says if you say that Ukraine interfered in the 2016 election you are working for Russia.
https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meet-press-transcripts-n51976
CHUCK TODD:Okay, so did you get the briefing, from the intel community, that said, the Russian intelligence services are trying to actively use this Ukraine story to frame Ukraine for the Russian -- for the interference in 2016?Leaving aside the "Jimmy Dore-like" commentary from Paul, it's not accurate to say the question is based on "the Fiona Hill-based media mantra". Dr. Hill did note that she was recounting determinations made by the intelligence community, but it's not HER mantra. Labeling it as Dr. Hill's determination, as if that somehow makes it less valid, carries more than a whiff of misogyny.
Actually you're the misogynist who denies Hill's central role in creating the mantra -- because she's a woman?
Let's see how this works . . . I post an interview with the central figure in the Burisma controversy that's a central part of the impeachment effort -- Viktor Shokhin who was the prosecutor fired by Ukraine President because of Biden's $1 billion extortion demand, who may be a witness in the Senate trial. And @nohero and @cramer, in true Facts-Don't-Matter style, respond by regailing us with posts about Seth Rich, George Soros, Viktor Pinchuk and Chanel Rion.nohero said:
cramer said:
Rudy Giuliani Teams Up With a Seth Rich Conspiracy Theorist to Save Trump
"Rudy Giuliani has found a new ally in his globe-trotting attempts to fight President Trump’s impeachment, teaming up with a cable-news reporter and conspiracy-theory political cartoonist who has suggested that Hillary Clinton killed Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich
Of COURSE that's who Paul wants us to rely on.
If either of you commented on what Shokhin said, I apologize for overlooking it.
paulsurovell said:
Let's see how this works . . . I post an interview with the central figure in the Burisma controversy that's a central part of the impeachment effort -- Viktor Shokhin who was the prosecutor fired by Ukraine President because of Biden's $1 billion extortion demand, who may be a witness in the Senate trial. And @nohero and @cramer, in true Facts-Don't-Matter style, respond by regailing us with posts about Seth Rich, George Soros, Viktor Pinchuk and Chanel Rion.
If either of you commented on what Shokhin said, I apologize for overlooking it.
They were all relevant comments, on the absurdity of relying on that to make a point. Just to repeat:
nohero said:
"One America News" with an exclusive (with Rudy on-camera sitting at the table) with the fired corrupt Ukrainian prosecutor who says, "I was told that Biden wanted me to stop investigating Burisma".
Clearly an unimpeachable source.
nohero said:
paulsurovell said:
Here's another instance of Rudy in Kyiv, with the prosecutor who Biden demanded that Poroshenko fire in order to receive US aid of $1 billion.
Holy cow. It's an episode of "Rudy Giuliani, International Man of Mystery"!
And don't overlook this one.
Cramer posted September 29,2019
"Chris Wallace reported this morning on Fox News that two other names you’ll know have been working with Rudy Giuliani on his mission to strong-arm Ukraine into intervening in the 2020 election and help exonerate Paul Manafort: the husband and wife team of Joe diGenova and Victoria Toensing. The two are frequent Hannity guests and at various points have been reported to be either joining or working with the President’s legal team. In this sense, working with Giuliani – the President’s so-called “private lawyer” – makes a fair amount of sense.
But there’s a bit more to this.
As I noted yesterday, material that has been surfacing from The Hill’s ‘opinion’ reporter John Solomon and then echoed by Giuliani seems to originate with one of Ukraine’s richest and most powerful oligarchs who is a former business partner of Paul Manafort and had to flee Ukraine after the overthrow of pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovych in 2014. He is in Austria, fighting extradition to the United States to face bribery charges.
His name is Dimtry Firtash.
Viktor Shokin is the ‘fired prosecutor’ at the center of all these stories. As part of Firtash’s effort to avoid extradition from Austria to the United States, he asked Shokin to swear out the affidavit in which Shokin accuses Biden of getting him fired to protect his son Hunter. (There is no evidence any of this happened. There was no investigation of Hunter Biden or the company on whose board he sat at the time Shokin was fired.)
So to review, former Manafort business partner Firtash asks Shokin to swear out an affidavit in which he accuses Biden. The affidavit quickly gets into the hands of Giuliani and Solomon. And who just recently went to work for Firtash’s legal team? None other than diGenova and Toensing, as reported just this week by the Kyiv Post and other publications.
So the duo who we now learned has been working on behalf of the President with Rudy Giuliani to extort the Ukrainian government just signed on to represent the oligarch behind the affidavit in which the disgraced prosecutor says Joe Biden got him fired. And yes, the oligarch who got booted from Ukraine in 2014 and is a former business partner of Paul Manafort."
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/full-picture-coming-into-view-2
Feb. 10, 2015 – Viktor Shokin takes office as Ukraine’s prosecutor general, replacing Yarema.
Sept. 24, 2015 – U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt excoriates officials in the Prosecutor General’s Office for stymying anti-corruption investigations, including those involving Burisma
Pyatt’s speech was part of a regular drumbeat by U.S. and other Western leaders, including Vice President Biden, and a swath of Ukrainian civil society seeking to pressure President Poroshenko to force his officials, especially in the Prosecutor General’s Office (PGO) to crack down more, not less, on corruption. “Corruption kills,” Pyatt said in the address to the Odesa Financial Forum for business leaders. “It kills productivity and smothers inspiration. Ideas are lost in its shadow. Innovation and entrepreneurship lag under the weight of bribery, back room dealing, and bullying.”
While giving Shokin a last chance to shape up (Pyatt says, “We want to work with Prosecutor General Shokin so the PGO is leading the fight against corruption.”), the ambassador criticizes “officials at the PGO’s office” for not providing documents that were needed for the British investigation of Burisma owner Zlochevskiy and effectively allowing Zlochevskiy to transfer $23 million of what Pyatt says were Ukrainian taxpayer assets to Cyprus. In other words, Pyatt is critical of the prosecutor’s office for not aiding in investigations of Burisma’s owner, which was in line with Biden’s criticism that the office was blocking corruption investigations. Pyatt specifically called for the investigation and removal of officials who were involved in the failure to help the British authorities investigate Zlochevskiy:
“We have learned that there have been times that the PGO not only did not support investigations into corruption, but rather undermined prosecutors working on legitimate corruption cases.
For example, in the case of former Ecology Minister Mykola Zlochevsky [cq], the U.K. authorities had seized 23 million dollars in illicit assets that belonged to the Ukrainian people. Officials at the PGO’s office were asked by the U.K to send documents supporting the seizure.
Instead they sent letters to Zlochevsky’s attorneys attesting that there was no case against him. As a result, the money was freed by the U.K. court and shortly thereafter the money was moved to Cyprus.
The misconduct by the PGO officials who wrote those letters should be investigated, and those responsible for subverting the case by authorizing those letters should – at a minimum – be summarily terminated.”
Fall 2015 – Biden, along with the EU, publicly calls for ouster of Prosecutor General Shokin for failure to work on anti-corruption efforts.
John E. Herbst, U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine under George W. Bush, later testified before Congress:
“By late fall of 2015, the EU and the United States joined the chorus of those seeking Mr. Shokin’s removal as the start of an overall reform of the Procurator General’s Office. U.S. Vice President Joe Biden spoke publicly about this before and during his December visit to Kyiv.”
Dec. 8, 2015 – Vice President Biden makes a speech to Ukraine’s Parliament urging the country to step up anti-corruption measures.
https://www.justsecurity.org/66271/timeline-trump-giuliani-bidens-and-ukrainegate/
paulsurovell said:
Actually you're the misogynist who denies Hill's central role in creating the mantra -- because she's a woman?
No, it's more likely because THIS THREAD ABOUT RUSSIA TRYING TO BLAME UKRAINE FOR ELECTION INTERFERENCE WAS STARTED BEFORE FIONA HILL EVER APPEARED ON TELEVISION, AND EVEN BEFORE HER DEPOSITION, GIVING THAT TESTIMONY.
Sorry for the "all caps", but it seemed an obvious point that was missed in Paul's zeal to dismiss this as just something Fiona Hill cooked up.
Full text of U.S. Ambassador to the Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt's speech of Sept. 24, 2015 referred to above - see p. 19 down:
nohero said:
That's more than enough. As Dr. McCoy would say, "He's dead, Jim."
He's been a zombie since about 2009. He doesn't give a crap that he's wrong, he's just going to keep saying the same things anyway.
cramer said:
Feb. 10, 2015 – Viktor Shokin takes office as Ukraine’s prosecutor general, replacing Yarema.
Sept. 24, 2015 – U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt excoriates officials in the Prosecutor General’s Office for stymying anti-corruption investigations, including those involving Burisma
Pyatt’s speech was part of a regular drumbeat by U.S. and other Western leaders, including Vice President Biden, and a swath of Ukrainian civil society seeking to pressure President Poroshenko to force his officials, especially in the Prosecutor General’s Office (PGO) to crack down more, not less, on corruption. “Corruption kills,” Pyatt said in the address to the Odesa Financial Forum for business leaders. “It kills productivity and smothers inspiration. Ideas are lost in its shadow. Innovation and entrepreneurship lag under the weight of bribery, back room dealing, and bullying.”
While giving Shokin a last chance to shape up (Pyatt says, “We want to work with Prosecutor General Shokin so the PGO is leading the fight against corruption.”), the ambassador criticizes “officials at the PGO’s office” for not providing documents that were needed for the British investigation of Burisma owner Zlochevskiy and effectively allowing Zlochevskiy to transfer $23 million of what Pyatt says were Ukrainian taxpayer assets to Cyprus. In other words, Pyatt is critical of the prosecutor’s office for not aiding in investigations of Burisma’s owner, which was in line with Biden’s criticism that the office was blocking corruption investigations. Pyatt specifically called for the investigation and removal of officials who were involved in the failure to help the British authorities investigate Zlochevskiy:
“We have learned that there have been times that the PGO not only did not support investigations into corruption, but rather undermined prosecutors working on legitimate corruption cases.
For example, in the case of former Ecology Minister Mykola Zlochevsky [cq], the U.K. authorities had seized 23 million dollars in illicit assets that belonged to the Ukrainian people. Officials at the PGO’s office were asked by the U.K to send documents supporting the seizure.
Instead they sent letters to Zlochevsky’s attorneys attesting that there was no case against him. As a result, the money was freed by the U.K. court and shortly thereafter the money was moved to Cyprus.
The misconduct by the PGO officials who wrote those letters should be investigated, and those responsible for subverting the case by authorizing those letters should – at a minimum – be summarily terminated.”
Fall 2015 – Biden, along with the EU, publicly calls for ouster of Prosecutor General Shokin for failure to work on anti-corruption efforts.
John E. Herbst, U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine under George W. Bush, later testified before Congress:
“By late fall of 2015, the EU and the United States joined the chorus of those seeking Mr. Shokin’s removal as the start of an overall reform of the Procurator General’s Office. U.S. Vice President Joe Biden spoke publicly about this before and during his December visit to Kyiv.”
Dec. 8, 2015 – Vice President Biden makes a speech to Ukraine’s Parliament urging the country to step up anti-corruption measures.
https://www.justsecurity.org/66271/timeline-trump-giuliani-bidens-and-ukrainegate/
My favorite line in this chronology of US bullying of Ukraine:
While giving Shokin a last chance to shape up (Pyatt says,
paulsurovell said:
My favorite line in this chronology of US bullying of Ukraine:
While giving Shokin a last chance to shape up (Pyatt says,
You can read the speech (Mr. Cramer gave a link to it). It's not "bullying".
Here's an excerpt: "Despite an invader in the east – using weapons and words to weaken, dispirit, and distract – national, regional, and local officials are moving forward with difficult political and economic reforms to bring Ukraine closer to its chosen European future. However, they – we – must not ignore an equally tenacious enemy dead set on undermining Ukraine’s economic success. One that is equally dangerous to Ukraine’s future. That enemy is corruption."
Calling the speech "bullying" is just ignoring that Russia is invading, occupying, and killing in Ukraine.
nohero said:
paulsurovell said:
My favorite line in this chronology of US bullying of Ukraine:
While giving Shokin a last chance to shape up (Pyatt says,You can read the speech (Mr. Cramer gave a link to it). It's not "bullying".
Here's an excerpt: "Despite an invader in the east – using weapons and words to weaken, dispirit, and distract – national, regional, and local officials are moving forward with difficult political and economic reforms to bring Ukraine closer to its chosen European future. However, they – we – must not ignore an equally tenacious enemy dead set on undermining Ukraine’s economic success. One that is equally dangerous to Ukraine’s future. That enemy is corruption."
Calling the speech "bullying" is just ignoring that Russia is invading, occupying, and killing in Ukraine.
When the US tells Ukraine what to do it's bullying.
What youre ignorning is that Ukraine and Russia have agreed to a cease-fire based on the Minsk agreement. Your refusal to express support for the agreement suggests you want the killing to continue.
paulsurovell said:
nohero said:
paulsurovell said:
My favorite line in this chronology of US bullying of Ukraine:
While giving Shokin a last chance to shape up (Pyatt says,You can read the speech (Mr. Cramer gave a link to it). It's not "bullying".
Here's an excerpt: "Despite an invader in the east – using weapons and words to weaken, dispirit, and distract – national, regional, and local officials are moving forward with difficult political and economic reforms to bring Ukraine closer to its chosen European future. However, they – we – must not ignore an equally tenacious enemy dead set on undermining Ukraine’s economic success. One that is equally dangerous to Ukraine’s future. That enemy is corruption."
Calling the speech "bullying" is just ignoring that Russia is invading, occupying, and killing in Ukraine.
When the US tells Ukraine what to do it's bullying.
What youre ignorning is that Ukraine and Russia have agreed to a cease-fire based on the Minsk agreement. Your refusal to express support for the agreement suggests you want the killing to continue.
I was responding to Paul's comment that his "favorite part" was a September 24, 2015 speech. So I couldn't "ignore" a recent cease-fire agreement when responding to that comment about a speech four years ago.
Paul seems to be looking for reasons to repeat a stupid claim about what I do or don't think about something. I have no doubt he'll find a way to repeat it.
paulsurovell said:
When the US tells Ukraine what to do it's bullying.
What youre ignorning is that Ukraine and Russia have agreed to a cease-fire based on the Minsk agreement. Your refusal to express support for the agreement suggests you want the killing to continue.
It's peculiar that the cease fire is happening right when a Russian pipeline contract going through Ukraine is due to expire at the end of the month. Russia won't need this as much once the new pipeline going under the baltic sea takes effect. Nord Stream 2. Maybe they thought they'd be done by now. Seems like taking over Crimea probably helped their gas industry as well! Wonder who makes out on the oil output from the maritime area Putin seized in the Crimea steal? Trillions of dollars!
Blood for oil? Shouldn’t we be organizing a vigil in Ricalton Square against this? Where’s the Be About Peace guy, he’ll get everyone together.
Anybody here against Trump's military takeover of Syria's oil fields?
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Interesting that the Ukraine government -- supposedly at war with Russia -- allegedly allows a "den of Kremlin agents" to function openly in Kyiv.
Here's another instance of Rudy in Kyiv, with the prosecutor who Biden demanded that Poroshenko fire in order to receive US aid of $1 billion.