Redevelopment Plan for the Toomey's Automotive Site - January 10th
author said:
ml1 said:And how would you define the phrase "give it a rest"?
author said:you should get over yourself. No one is trying to censor you.
ml1 said:Don't ever, ever attempt to censor me. You should confine your reading to the "hearts and flowers"
dude, give it a rest.
Village Green.
How about STFU ?
Dennis_Seelbach said:
author said:How about STFU ?
ml1 said:And how would you define the phrase "give it a rest"?
author said:you should get over yourself. No one is trying to censor you.
ml1 said:Don't ever, ever attempt to censor me. You should confine your reading to the "hearts and flowers"
dude, give it a rest.
Village Green.
Have a little pronlem with Free Speech there booby. Perfectly fine to say anything as long as it is in agreement with your little opinion of things. And since you phrased that as a question..........the answer is easily ascertained............No
"To comfort the afflicted
and to afflict the comfortable"
Finley Peter Dunne
free speech doesn't mean you aren't going to be told when that speech is tiresome and boring
After you order your drink named after an auto repair place, the bartender comes back after a little while and says that it's going to take him longer to prepare than he told you, plus it's going to cost more than originally planned.
nohero said:
After you order your drink named after an auto repair place, the bartender comes back after a little while and says that it's going to take him longer to prepare than he told you, plus it's going to cost more than originally planned.
but you won't mind waiting
suggested recipe for the Socket Toomey:
1 oz. Sake
1 oz. Kaluha
Drink through a stainless steel straw.
nohero said:
After you order your drink named after an auto repair place, the bartender comes back after a little while and says that it's going to take him longer to prepare than he told you, plus it's going to cost more than originally planned.
And he leaves it around the block with your keys under it.
ml1 said:
free speech doesn't mean you aren't going to be told when that speech is tiresome and boring
No I have never resented anyone criticizing the content of what I say. It is when those who are in disagreement tell me to STFU. I am offended not only at the middle school level comments that spew out of anyone's computer. If that is not a piss poor attempt at censorship.....tell me what is.
The bar has been lowered to below ground level and the dumbing down of America continues
Sir D.S.
We need parking not another building that will cause even more parking problems .
I have a hard time believing most residents are going to be in favor of the township buying that property at market rate to turn it into a parking lot.
my opinion on this issue is that we're discussing a property within the village business district, zoned for commercial use. The township declared it a property in need of rehabilitation, which gives it some control over how it's eventually used. The last time around, some people criticized the "condemning" of property by the township. But the fact is, with the designation the township and planning board will be able to have some influence they wouldn't have without it.
So the alternatives seem to be:
- Maplewood can buy the property itself and turn it into green space or a parking lot.
- Maplewood can buy and manage or develop the property (this to me would be the worst option. Our township government is not in the real estate development or management business).
- Oversee the purchase and development of the property by an outside developer. This could mean razing the structure on the site and building, or repurposing the current structure.
My concern is that there are people who just want to obstruct and stop anything from happening on the site. Then we get our own mini version of the old Lord & Taylor site in Short Hills, which year after year decays and becomes more of a blight in their business district. And decades later, with neighbors who have never known the site as a thriving business location, development becomes more and more difficult to sell in to those who live nearby.
If a significant number of Maplewoodians want the Toomey site to be parking, or green space, or even if they want the current building to be repurposed, they should start lining up investors and writing up business plans now. Because legally, there's not much the township can do if a developer wants to buy it, develop it in accord with zoning regulations, if there aren't competing bids for the site. It's not sufficient IMHO to just obstruct and complain without making a proactive effort to do something positive on the site. I'd be in favor of it becoming a small park, or having the building repurposed as a cafe. But I'm also honest enough to say I'm not going to put any of my personal finances at risk to make that a reality. Maybe someone out there is willing to do that. I'd be in support. But it seems like a long shot to me. That's why I'd rather see people who care trying to influence what happens in a positive way, with a realistic expectation that whoever buys the land isn't likely to be a philanthropist, but a person or group that needs the project to be financially successful.
author said:
Dennis_Seelbach said:Have a little pronlem with Free Speech there booby. Perfectly fine to say anything as long as it is in agreement with your little opinion of things. And since you phrased that as a question..........the answer is easily ascertained............No
author said:How about STFU ?
ml1 said:And how would you define the phrase "give it a rest"?
author said:you should get over yourself. No one is trying to censor you.
ml1 said:Don't ever, ever attempt to censor me. You should confine your reading to the "hearts and flowers"
dude, give it a rest.
Village Green.
"To comfort the afflicted
and to afflict the comfortable"
Finley Peter Dunne
In fact, it is you who have a problem with understanding Free Speech. There is no violation of Free Speech whatsoever when a private citizen tells another to stop what they are saying. There is no violation until the US Government limits what you can say.
It is one thing to yammer on endlessly about the same things (oh woo is me, I don't like what happened to the post office; oh heaven forbid someone like coffee other than Village Coffee...) but it is quite another to accuse people of censorship or violation of free speech with out an once of accuracy.
bella said:
In fact, it is you who have a problem with understanding Free Speech. There is no violation of Free Speech whatsoever when a private citizen tells another to stop what they are saying. There is no violation until the US Government limits what you can say.
It is one thing to yammer on endlessly about the same things (oh woo is me, I don't like what happened to the post office; oh heaven forbid someone like coffee other than Village Coffee...) but it is quite another to accuse people of censorship or violation of free speech with out an once of accuracy.
so you're saying that he keeps using that word, but you do not think it means what he think it means?
Ml1 - Just a correction. The unoccupied site in Millburn was Saks. Lord and Taylor's was where CVS and Trader Joe's are now. I really miss that L&T.
ml1 said:
I have a hard time believing most residents are going to be in favor of the township buying that property at market rate to turn it into a parking lot.
I thought the TC would never sell one of the most valuable plots in town for a net of a few hundred thousand dollars, but they did. They also forced the Women's Club to pay property taxes and then bought the building when the Women's Club had to sell. They have a history of bad real estate deals.
Maplewood should buy and develop the property into something like this -->
. . . . and then sell it to someone for $1 to manage it
bella said:
author said:In fact, it is you who have a problem with understanding Free Speech. There is no violation of Free Speech whatsoever when a private citizen tells another to stop what they are saying. There is no violation until the US Government limits what you can say.
Dennis_Seelbach said:Have a little pronlem with Free Speech there booby. Perfectly fine to say anything as long as it is in agreement with your little opinion of things. And since you phrased that as a question..........the answer is easily ascertained............No
author said:How about STFU ?
ml1 said:And how would you define the phrase "give it a rest"?
author said:you should get over yourself. No one is trying to censor you.
ml1 said:Don't ever, ever attempt to censor me. You should confine your reading to the "hearts and flowers"
dude, give it a rest.
Village Green.
"To comfort the afflicted
and to afflict the comfortable"
Finley Peter Dunne
It is one thing to yammer on endlessly about the same things (oh woo is me, I don't like what happened to the post office; oh heaven forbid someone like coffee other than Village Coffee...) but it is quite another to accuse people of censorship or violation of free speech with out an once of accuracy.
In as simple a sentence as I can render, It matters not what the subject being discussed..............if one is told to "shut up" ..........it is an attempt at silencing the speaker or writer.
author said:
bella said:In as simple a sentence as I can render, It matters not what the subject being discussed..............if one is told to "shut up" ..........it is an attempt at silencing the speaker or writer.
author said:In fact, it is you who have a problem with understanding Free Speech. There is no violation of Free Speech whatsoever when a private citizen tells another to stop what they are saying. There is no violation until the US Government limits what you can say.
Dennis_Seelbach said:Have a little pronlem with Free Speech there booby. Perfectly fine to say anything as long as it is in agreement with your little opinion of things. And since you phrased that as a question..........the answer is easily ascertained............No
author said:How about STFU ?
ml1 said:And how would you define the phrase "give it a rest"?
author said:you should get over yourself. No one is trying to censor you.
ml1 said:Don't ever, ever attempt to censor me. You should confine your reading to the "hearts and flowers"
dude, give it a rest.
Village Green.
"To comfort the afflicted
and to afflict the comfortable"
Finley Peter Dunne
It is one thing to yammer on endlessly about the same things (oh woo is me, I don't like what happened to the post office; oh heaven forbid someone like coffee other than Village Coffee...) but it is quite another to accuse people of censorship or violation of free speech with out an once of accuracy.
Actually, I was merely answering your question "And how would you define the phrase "give it a rest"?", with my opinion of what it meant. Seems perfectly clear to me. I don't see the need to go on endlessly about being censored.
Dennis_Seelbach said:
author said:Actually, I was merely answering your question "And how would you define the phrase "give it a rest"?", with my opinion of what it meant. Seems perfectly clear to me. I don't see the need to go on endlessly about being censored.
bella said:In as simple a sentence as I can render, It matters not what the subject being discussed..............if one is told to "shut up" ..........it is an attempt at silencing the speaker or writer.
author said:In fact, it is you who have a problem with understanding Free Speech. There is no violation of Free Speech whatsoever when a private citizen tells another to stop what they are saying. There is no violation until the US Government limits what you can say.
Dennis_Seelbach said:Have a little pronlem with Free Speech there booby. Perfectly fine to say anything as long as it is in agreement with your little opinion of things. And since you phrased that as a question..........the answer is easily ascertained............No
author said:How about STFU ?
ml1 said:And how would you define the phrase "give it a rest"?
author said:you should get over yourself. No one is trying to censor you.
ml1 said:Don't ever, ever attempt to censor me. You should confine your reading to the "hearts and flowers"
dude, give it a rest.
Village Green.
"To comfort the afflicted
and to afflict the comfortable"
Finley Peter Dunne
It is one thing to yammer on endlessly about the same things (oh woo is me, I don't like what happened to the post office; oh heaven forbid someone like coffee other than Village Coffee...) but it is quite another to accuse people of censorship or violation of free speech with out an once of accuracy.
Well I have to admit that is a more civilized reply than STFU .
You get a yellow star on your chart and can be hall monitor for the day.
Historical Context: Town Hall Deli left a perfectly good location on S.O.A. to buy the Midas Muffler shop on Valley, doing a complete gutting, decontamination, and remodeling of that space, and then for some reason decided to move to its current 1st St. location, completely redoing that space as well.
And remember The Garage in Millburn (a good example of a failed business plan)? They took over an old auto shop, too...
That said, I think that Toomey's could become a nice eatery if the vision, execution, and business plan come together. BTW: Love the location...
-s.
yahooyahoo said:
ml1 said:I thought the TC would never sell one of the most valuable plots in town for a net of a few hundred thousand dollars, but they did. They also forced the Women's Club to pay property taxes and then bought the building when the Women's Club had to sell. They have a history of bad real estate deals.
I have a hard time believing most residents are going to be in favor of the township buying that property at market rate to turn it into a parking lot.
One member of the current TC was in office when all those things happened. So no matter what one thinks of any of those deals, it was mostly different people who made them.
And none of that addresses the question of whether taxpayers would want to buy that property just to turn it into 20 parking spaces. I could be wrong, but I think most people would find that a bad deal.
author said:
Well I have to admit that is a more civilized reply than STFU .
You get a yellow star on your chart and can be hall monitor for the day.
can you please at least edit out the long list of previous quotes? On a phone, It's absurd and really annoying to have to go through hundreds of lines of text to get to a two sentence reply.
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