Winter Storm Warning - Wednesday Dec 16 into Thursday Dec 17

Im measuring mostly 8" with occasional 9" spots on my property.  Snow not light but not crazy heavy either.  Mostly done shoveling.  Will need to shave off the slight dusting that is still coming down. Heart attack risk minimization tip confirmed on line:  Take aspirins before you start shoveling.


Will never complain that the weather experts over-forecast snow totals rather than under-forecast, which seems to be the case more often than not when these big snow storms come up (on my block anyway - I'm sure there's local variations).  Their technology and predictive powers are still very impressive.  Having power and hearing of no power outages is a bonus too.


Looks like the concern from a couple of days back that this thing would slide north was justified. Areas of central NY picked up close to 4 feet. 


I am so grateful for the men with shovels who drive around after a storm.  With COVID and bad roads I wasn't expecting any help dealing with the snow today.  Thanks to their help, my driveway and sidewalks were cleared before 9 am this morning.  I will need to sweep in spots later today to reduce overnight icing but the heavy work is done.


I measured 5.6" with a melted core of 0.91"

That is an average of 8 measurements and two cores taken around my yard, trying to avoid the drifts and basins, of which there are many.

We got seriously dry slotted last night as well.  And to wxnut's point, they had 42" and still snowing in Binghamton this morning.


max_weisenfeld said:

I measured 5.6" with a melted core of 0.91"


 What an abysmal ratio. 


WxNut2.0 said:

max_weisenfeld said:

I measured 5.6" with a melted core of 0.91"


 What an abysmal ratio. 

  What an abysmal ratio. -Why?


There should be a law against DPW piling up the snow at the corner crosswalks. Gonna be a long while before the pile at my corner melts allowing anyone to cross the street. It's already a block of ice  question


snowmom said:

WxNut2.0 said:

max_weisenfeld said:

I measured 5.6" with a melted core of 0.91"


 What an abysmal ratio. 

  What an abysmal ratio. -Why?

 5.6" of snow to 0.91" of liquid water means that for every inch of liquid precipitation you can expect ~6" of snow -- making for a 6:1 ratio. Typically we expect that ratios on the order of 10:1 in these types of situations. This is useful in the post-mortem however, as it gives us another probable explanation for the storm's underperformance. To my eye, three things occurred, all of which we outlined a couple of days ago as possibilities:

  1. The heaviest bands of snow slid north, leaving us on the southern end of the snow gradient and thus lowering the totals.
  2. The ratio was lower than what is typically expected. The storm actually dumped a decent amount of liquid equivalent but perhaps the column wasn't cold enough to facilitate higher ratios.
  3. We got dry-slotted. Storms like this are called cyclones, and like hurricanes or tornadoes cyclones are areas of low pressure around which the wind rotates counterclockwise. As a result of this rotation, dry air from the west/southwest will get wrapped into the storm and create a "dry-slot" where precipitation is minimal/non-existent. We appeared to have gotten into this dry-slot. FWIW, EWR (allegedly) got 11" which lends further credence to the dry-slot theory.

the_18th_letter said:

There should be a law against DPW piling up the snow at the corner crosswalks. Gonna be a long while before the pile at my corner melts allowing anyone to cross the street. It's already a block of ice 
question

 I hated that.  My mom lives on a corner and it would easily reach four or five feet high.  We would usually do two cut outs a few feet in either side of the corner for pedestrians so they could cross the street.


I totally understand the homeowner responsibility for the sidewalk in front of their house, but it seems like the corner issue is over and above and should be handled by DPW.  I'll pay the extra $5/year or whatever in taxes if that's what it takes. (And I don't personally live on a corner ... thankfully!)


It seem like we have been dodging the worse of the storms in the past few years and we seem to be closer to the rain/snow line.  Any global warming correlation there?

Even though the predictions were a bit off for us - it was a crazy storm for others north of us, I'm glad we were spared.


sac said:

I totally understand the homeowner responsibility for the sidewalk in front of their house, but it seems like the corner issue is over and above and should be handled by DPW.  I'll pay the extra $5/year or whatever in taxes if that's what it takes. (And I don't personally live on a corner ... thankfully!)

 I'd personally tip the last DPW plow team to make sure the sidewalks on my corner had access to the street. Cutting through to the street there always seems worse than clearing the driveway apron after the plows.


jamie said:

It seem like we have been dodging the worse of the storms in the past few years and we seem to be closer to the rain/snow line.  Any global warming correlation there?

 Very doubtful -- the location of the rain/snow line is a very microscale phenomenon. I suppose if you consider the impacts of climate change on the jet stream you could make an argument that the mean storm track is shifting, though I'd need to see some evidence there.


I've become accustomed to clearing the curb cuts for the crosswalks.  It takes a while but clearing at least a narrow path is doable.  More recently, the plows have taken to depositing snow on the full length/width of the sidewalk rather than on the median or in the gutter. That added snow, almost always deposited after I finish shoveling,  is often heavy with slush and almost impossible for me to remove.  I wish the present snow plow operators would learn not to do that.  It was never a problem in the past.


25 inches up by me near Albany.


sbenois said:

25 inches up by me near Albany.

 You're near Albany? Whereabouts. I schooled at SUNYA.


Oh, ok. We never ventured across the river too much.


FYI: This was Flood's Hill yesterday... best sledding in Essex County!

-s.

https://www.facebook.com/bisberg/videos/10158512748745932/


soda said:

FYI: This was Flood's Hill yesterday... best sledding in Essex County!

-s.

https://www.facebook.com/bisberg/videos/10158512748745932/

 Facebook won't let me view this LOL   (I do have a Facebook account.)


sac said:

soda said:

FYI: This was Flood's Hill yesterday... best sledding in Essex County!

-s.

https://www.facebook.com/bisberg/videos/10158512748745932/

 Facebook won't let me view this
LOL
   (I do have a Facebook account.)

 Yeah, me neither. I get this message:


I can view it. Because of the security setting on the post, you need to be a Facebook friend of the OP to view the thread.  


Big snowfall is one way to stop all of the leaf blowing.  


Texas said:

Big snowfall is one way to stop all of the leaf blowing.  

 Then I guess you’ve yet to see the people who use a leaf blower instead of a broom when we get a light dusting of snow that is too light to shovel, but just enough that you can’t leave it.


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