Masks outdoors --- necessary?

prisoners_dilemma said:

Wearing a mask outside is like going to bed by yourself and wearing a condom. 

 How you keep yourself warm at night ain't no business of mine.


This is the kind of silly comment that's not helpful in this topic. Start a political discussion if it's that important to you, guys.


I was surprised they are both against people taking care of themselves.


sprout said:


And IIRC, going to bed by oneself and wearing a condom is sometimes done by males for ease-of-cleanup purposes? So, perhaps not an uncommon occurrence.

sprout said:

I was surprised they are both against people taking care of themselves.

 I see what you did there....


I ride a recumbent trike, mostly on multi-use paths like the road to Washington Rock in the reservation, the Middlesex Greenway, the Traction Line Trail in Morristown to name a few.

While sitting on my trike, I'm much lower than the average person's face level, as the seat is only about 15 inches off the ground.  I still wear a mask every time I ride, for the whole trip until I'm back in my car, because I feel it's the responsible thing to do, although I practically couldn't breathe in someone's face even if I tried.

It's discouraging to me that most days, I'm one of a very small handful of people with masks, I'd say typically less than ten out of dozens if not hundreds of people on the paths.  And no, you can't always stay six feet away from everybody, even outdoors.

ETA:  I have had the first vaccine shot, and plan to still wear a mask even after the second one until there's more evidence that the danger from the virus is truly past.


mulemom said:

I ride a recumbent trike, mostly on multi-use paths like the road to Washington Rock in the reservation, the Middlesex Greenway, the Traction Line Trail in Morristown to name a few.

While sitting on my trike, I'm much lower than the average person's face level, as the seat is only about 15 inches off the ground.  I still wear a mask every time I ride, for the whole trip until I'm back in my car, because I feel it's the responsible thing to do, although I practically couldn't breathe in someone's face even if I tried.

It's discouraging to me that most days, I'm one of a very small handful of people with masks, I'd say typically less than ten out of dozens if not hundreds of people on the paths.  And no, you can't always stay six feet away from everybody, even outdoors.

ETA:  I have had the first vaccine shot, and plan to still wear a mask even after the second one until there's more evidence that the danger from the virus is truly past.

 You may want to re-think wearing a mask while exercising. No one, not even the CDC or WHO recommend you wear a mask while exercising. Could lead to hypercapnia. 


prisoners_dilemma said:

 You may want to re-think wearing a mask while exercising. No one, not even the CDC or WHO recommend you wear a mask while exercising. Could lead to hypercapnia. 

I don't know whether mulemom uses the trike to exercise or just to get around the trails faster.

Either way, you're mistaken.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/daily-life-coping/personal-social-activities.html (Updated 4/20/2021)

  • Wearing both a mask and physical distancing is important. Do any vigorous-intensity exercise outside when possible, stay at least 6 feet away from other participants, trainers, and clients, and wear a mask. If the intensity of the exercise makes it difficult to wear a mask, it is especially important to do that activities outdoors away from others.

Mayo Clinic:

Is it safe to wear a mask while exercising?

Yes, it's safe to wear a mask while exercising. New research has shown that your heart rate, respiratory rate, blood pressure, oxygen level and time of exhaustion are not significantly affected by wearing a mask during moderate to strenuous aerobic physical activity.


DaveSchmidt said:

Mayo Clinic:

Is it safe to wear a mask while exercising?

Yes, it's safe to wear a mask while exercising. New research has shown that your heart rate, respiratory rate, blood pressure, oxygen level and time of exhaustion are not significantly affected by wearing a mask during moderate to strenuous aerobic physical activity.

 I see your Mayo Clinic and raise with you with the WHO

https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-masks


"No one, not even the CDC," remains mistaken. 


mulemom said:

I ride a recumbent trike, mostly on multi-use paths like the road to Washington Rock in the reservation, the Middlesex Greenway, the Traction Line Trail in Morristown to name a few.

While sitting on my trike, I'm much lower than the average person's face level, as the seat is only about 15 inches off the ground.  I still wear a mask every time I ride, for the whole trip until I'm back in my car, because I feel it's the responsible thing to do, although I practically couldn't breathe in someone's face even if I tried.

It's discouraging to me that most days, I'm one of a very small handful of people with masks, I'd say typically less than ten out of dozens if not hundreds of people on the paths.  And no, you can't always stay six feet away from everybody, even outdoors.

ETA:  I have had the first vaccine shot, and plan to still wear a mask even after the second one until there's more evidence that the danger from the virus is truly past.

 Since you are low to the ground, I hope you are wearing reflective clothing while biking.


Tucker Carlson weighed in on the "outdoor mask" question this evening.

I'm just mentioning that, I don't think it's necessary or helpful to discuss his "insights", in case anyone was considering doing so.


This is some high-grade horse **** right here.

prisoners_dilemma said:

 You may want to re-think wearing a mask while exercising. No one, not even the CDC or WHO recommend you wear a mask while exercising. Could lead to hypercapnia. 

1) If a mask is impeding exhalation enough to risk hypercapnia* then it will also impede inhalation and so you'll have a problem with that mask even when at rest. Such a mask is not likely to be used while exercising, at least not for very long before another one is chosen. Since mulemon reports cycling with a mask frequently, it is clear a suitable mask is being used. By the way, surgeons have long had something to say about mask use under intense conditions. 

2) I'm pretty sure when mulemon is riding that recumbent trike, the surrounding air will be constantly refreshed when in motion. Again, see #1 if you're stupid enough to try and say "Yeah, but what about when not in motion?"

* If you can use a word like that I'm led to believe you might actually know what it means. Forgive me for drawing the conclusion that you're educated enough to think reasonably about physiology, or at least the rudiments of pulmonary function. My bad.


It's been obvious for close to a year that outdoors is safe.  This has been covered on a thread that got suppressed bas being anti-science, but even Fauci Is starting to hedge on outdoor masks.

Answering questions from George Stephanopoulos, Fauci, the White House's chief medical advisor, said the move is "common sense" as the evidence shows that "outdoor risk is really, really quite low."For vaccinated people wearing masks outdoors, "the risk is minuscule," he said.

I would also say that wearing a mask outdoors is counter productive.  It limits the sunlight hitting your skin. Which is good for the immune system.  Also, breathing fresh air is also good for you.  And, no I'm not going to cite peer reviewed studies to support these obvious truths.


terp said:

It's been obvious for close to a year that outdoors is safe.  This has been covered on a thread that got suppressed bas being anti-science, but even Fauci Is starting to hedge on outdoor masks.

Answering questions from George Stephanopoulos, Fauci, the White House's chief medical advisor, said the move is "common sense" as the evidence shows that "outdoor risk is really, really quite low."For vaccinated people wearing masks outdoors, "the risk is minuscule," he said.

Note that he specifies for vaccinated people. Random interactions outside can still pose a risk for unvaccinated people. Now that there are known to be quite a few people refusing to get vaccinated in addition to those for whom it is not recommended, those people are both at greater risk of catching COVID as well as unknowingly transmitting it. If one feels more comfortable wearing a mask, I say let them. If someone is going to not wear a mask and invade others' personal space, they run the risk of other kinds of consequences.


That's laughable, terp. Masks do not prevent one from breathing in fresh air. 


I'm planning on using masks beyond this pandemic -- during flu season, on very cold and dry days, when air quality is poor (eg pollen, etc). A silver lining of this whole situation has been normalizing this useful, low-cost, low-effort tool.


People can do whatever they want.  If people want to wear masks outside despite that being counterproductive that is their prerogative. 

For the record, although Fauci has been wrong to the detriment of the mental and physical health of the citizenry, even he is bending.  Thus, it's a small point, but I must point out that PVW is misreading Fauci's quote.  Only the 2nd part where he says the risk is minuscule is he talking about the vaccinated.

I will also ask if wearing a mask does not at all impede airflow, how does one even claim they are effective?  I've worn maks, they certainly affect airflow and are uncomfortable.


bikefixed said:

terp said:

It's been obvious for close to a year that outdoors is safe.  This has been covered on a thread that got suppressed bas being anti-science, but even Fauci Is starting to hedge on outdoor masks.

Answering questions from George Stephanopoulos, Fauci, the White House's chief medical advisor, said the move is "common sense" as the evidence shows that "outdoor risk is really, really quite low."For vaccinated people wearing masks outdoors, "the risk is minuscule," he said.

Note that he specifies for vaccinated people. Random interactions outside can still pose a risk for unvaccinated people. Now that there are known to be quite a few people refusing to get vaccinated in addition to those for whom it is not recommended, those people are both at greater risk of catching COVID as well as unknowingly transmitting it. If one feels more comfortable wearing a mask, I say let them. If someone is going to not wear a mask and invade others' personal space, they run the risk of other kinds of consequences.

 Please quantify that risk.  Otherwise, I call ****.


terp said:


For the record, although Fauci has been wrong to the detriment of the mental and physical health of the citizenry, even e is bending.  Thus, it's a small point, but I must point out that PVW is misreading Fauci's quote.  Only the 2nd part where he says the risk is minuscule is he talking about the vaccinated.


 It's a small point, but I must point out that you misread bikefixed's user name.


terp said:

bikefixed said:

If someone is going to not wear a mask and invade others' personal space, they run the risk of other kinds of consequences.

 Please quantify that risk.  Otherwise, I call ****.

For someone who likes to bloviate on social media, you seem to discount how much one is at risk of being filmed and shown to be acting the asshat. Depending on their target they may also face other consequences. Not everyone is mature enough to walk away or remain clear of violating their aggressor's property, or food, or some other kind of response if they have the chance. There's also the option of assaulting them in self-defense if they persist after being warned to stay away.

I've seen many examples of that kind of **** this past year. I've been out there almost all year helping people in person. People have lots of responses to folks refusing to wear masks.


On a positive note, assuming the numbers hold up per the NJ Covid data hub, yesterday saw the lowest new case total in a long time.  The numbers have been declining for about a week.  The transmission rate has been below the magic "1" for at least a couple of weeks and stood at an even .9 yesterday.  Fingers crossed that this continues.


bikefixed said:

For someone who likes to bloviate on social media, you seem to discount how much one is at risk of being filmed and shown to be acting the asshat. Depending on their target they may also face other consequences. Not everyone is mature enough to walk away or remain clear of violating their aggressor's property, or food, or some other kind of response if they have the chance. There's also the option of assaulting them in self-defense if they persist after being warned to stay away.

I've seen many examples of that kind of **** this past year. I've been out there almost all year helping people in person. People have lots of responses to folks refusing to wear masks.

 Cool.  So, ****.


CDC updated camp guidance came out today. This guidance is based on children being unvaccinated, and new variants appearing to be more transmissible:

All people in camp facilities should wear masks at all times with exceptions for certain people, or for certain settings or activities, such as while eating and drinking or swimming.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/schools-childcare/summer-camps.html


sprout said:

CDC updated camp guidance came out today. This guidance is based on children being unvaccinated, and new variants appearing to be more transmissible:

All people in camp facilities should wear masks at all times with exceptions for certain people, or for certain settings or activities, such as while eating and drinking or swimming.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/schools-childcare/summer-camps.html

 Fcuker Tarlson would call the cops on them.


Our 16 year-old grandson is going to Israel this summer, through his camp. He's vaccinated (got his first already because he's on the spectrum.) He won't have to wear a mask outdoors - provided the COVID situtation in Israel stays the same. Over 50% of the Israeli population is fully vaccinated. 


One of the best benefits to wearing a mask is limiting the amount of pollen. From 2005, lest you think it's a COVID study: 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16405270/ 

As someone with seasonal allergies, it has helped. I'd prefer not to wear one outside anyway, but if I am somewhere where they are required, I will (unlike some people who think rules are for other people).


The CDC is expected to announce updated guidelines for FULLY VACCINATED Americans at 12: 15 p.m. today. 

"I can again safely say that really, really soon we're going to be seeing some guidelines that are going to be coming out from the CDC about the wearing of masks and vaccinated versus unvaccinated individuals," Dr. Anthony Fauci, Mr. Biden's chief medical adviser, told a virtual event hosted by the Harvard Chan School of Public Health on Monday."

"The risk of infection outside is really minimum. If you're vaccinated, and you're outside, it's even less," added Fauci."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cdc-guidelines-face-mask-outdoors-vaccinated-live-stream-2021-04-27/

eta - Fwiw, I've been a hawk on wearing masks. I haven't even hugged my grandchildren yet even though I'm fully vaccinated,


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