Local Village Mom and Pop coffee vendors to remain open
author said:Without mentioning the incident..........clue us in as to what happened..Author has no grudge against them . He simply avoids a store that serves burnt tasting coffee ad offers some products that contain 5TBS of sugar
Author - just own up to your disingenuousness. You didn't raise this as an issue of systemic racism that still pervades everyday life in America, even in Philadelphia. You just wanted to take a shot at Starbucks. So just say so and stop the nonsense.
On topic, I think Starbucks made the right move to go all-in. I agree with the comment above that it was a much more powerful response then a pseudo- (or even real) apology or the typical "we have to do better in the future" or whatever PR firms usually conjure up. I'm absolutely sure that instances like what happened in Starbucks happens all the time at a variety of establishments. And it's inexcusable.
LOST said:
There are many people who have made a conscious choice to purchase a home in "West Maplewood" as opposed to Millburn because of their perception that Maplewood is racially diverse.
I believe our kids are better off for growing in a town where the overall demographics indicate an mixed-race community even if there is a good deal of de facto segregation. My point, however, is that I don't think people frequenting Maplewood Village, for example, have many occasions to confront their built-in biases that might come in to play when you encounter young black men versus young white men late at night and so on.
tjohn said:
My point, however, is that I don't think people frequenting Maplewood Village, for example, have many occasions to confront their built-in biases that might come in to play when you encounter young black men versus young white men late at night and so on.
My biases aren’t built in: I acquired them myself, which means I can confront them wherever and whenever I choose, whether in Maplewood Village or during my two decades living within three blocks of the site of that Starbucks in Philly.
ml1 said:
he wasn't on the sidewalk. He was on a high wire between two buildings.
Still did the color of the mans' skin matter?
ltc said:
author said:Author - just own up to your disingenuousness. You didn't raise this as an issue of systemic racism that still pervades everyday life in America, even in Philadelphia. You just wanted to take a shot at Starbucks. So just say so and stop the nonsense.Without mentioning the incident..........clue us in as to what happened..Author has no grudge against them . He simply avoids a store that serves burnt tasting coffee ad offers some products that contain 5TBS of sugar
On topic, I think Starbucks made the right move to go all-in. I agree with the comment above that it was a much more powerful response then a pseudo- (or even real) apology or the typical "we have to do better in the future" or whatever PR firms usually conjure up. I'm absolutely sure that instances like what happened in Starbucks happens all the time at a variety of establishments. And it's inexcusable.
Pervades every day life........that is strange. I have lived in Maplewood for 40 years and never seen such a thing. Perhaps it pervades other areas and businesses. However some good has come of this thread.
I found out that I live in West Maplewood. Now I have license to go out and buy me a cowboy hat.
Take a shot at Starbucks. You bet your 1957 Edsel. My attacks are not because I don't like the taste of
their renderings. When a significant portion of what they sell to middle school children contains more
sugar than Willy Wonka has to offer..........and the love of sweets remain with these young ones for so many years that the deleterious effect of there friggen pink unicorn drinks become the seed
for so many diseases and condition, I will take many, many shots,
author said:
ltc said:Pervades every day life........that is strange. I have lived in Maplewood for 40 years and never seen such a thing. Perhaps it pervades other areas and businesses. ...
Author - just own up to your disingenuousness. You didn't raise this as an issue of systemic racism that still pervades everyday life in America, even in Philadelphia. You just wanted to take a shot at Starbucks. So just say so and stop the nonsense.
...
There are lots of Maplewoodians who disagree with your "never seen such a thing" perception.
nohero said:
author said:There are lots of Maplewoodians who disagree with your "never seen such a thing" perception.
ltc said:Pervades every day life........that is strange. I have lived in Maplewood for 40 years and never seen such a thing. Perhaps it pervades other areas and businesses. ...
Author - just own up to your disingenuousness. You didn't raise this as an issue of systemic racism that still pervades everyday life in America, even in Philadelphia. You just wanted to take a shot at Starbucks. So just say so and stop the nonsense.
...
Then let them say such a thing and not remain silent.
" To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men" Abraham Lincoln
author said:
nohero said:Then let them say such a thing and not remain silent.
author said:There are lots of Maplewoodians who disagree with your "never seen such a thing" perception.
ltc said:Pervades every day life........that is strange. I have lived in Maplewood for 40 years and never seen such a thing. Perhaps it pervades other areas and businesses. ...
Author - just own up to your disingenuousness. You didn't raise this as an issue of systemic racism that still pervades everyday life in America, even in Philadelphia. You just wanted to take a shot at Starbucks. So just say so and stop the nonsense.
...
" To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men" Abraham Lincoln
If you've actually missed hearing them, that doesn't mean they've been silent.
author said:
ltc said:Pervades every day life........that is strange. I have lived in Maplewood for 40 years and never seen such a thing. Perhaps it pervades other areas and businesses. However some good has come of this thread.
author said:Author - just own up to your disingenuousness. You didn't raise this as an issue of systemic racism that still pervades everyday life in America, even in Philadelphia. You just wanted to take a shot at Starbucks. So just say so and stop the nonsense.Without mentioning the incident..........clue us in as to what happened..Author has no grudge against them . He simply avoids a store that serves burnt tasting coffee ad offers some products that contain 5TBS of sugar
On topic, I think Starbucks made the right move to go all-in. I agree with the comment above that it was a much more powerful response then a pseudo- (or even real) apology or the typical "we have to do better in the future" or whatever PR firms usually conjure up. I'm absolutely sure that instances like what happened in Starbucks happens all the time at a variety of establishments. And it's inexcusable.
I found out that I live in West Maplewood. Now I have license to go out and buy me a cowboy hat.
Take a shot at Starbucks. You bet your 1957 Edsel. My attacks are not because I don't like the taste of
their renderings. When a significant portion of what they sell to middle school children contains more
sugar than Willy Wonka has to offer..........and the love of sweets remain with these young ones for so many years that the deleterious effect of there friggen pink unicorn drinks become the seed
for so many diseases and condition, I will take many, many shots,
If you’ve never witnessed or experienced bias in Maplewood, you aren’t paying any attention.
LOST said:
Woot said:People with school age children in the portion of "West Maplewood" in the Jefferson School District have chosen to live, where, unlike the rest of Maplewood, their children are bused to Marshall School in South Orange for the purpose of racial diversity.
tjohn. I understand your point but that’s a little over the top. I don’t think everyone west of the train tracks is immune from a valid opinion on the matter.
Yes, it also moves me when West Maplewood gets all sanctimonious about racial equality - as if people ever really have to deal with deeply buried racial biases when living in West Maplewood.
There are many people who have made a conscious choice to purchase a home in "West Maplewood" as opposed to Millburn because of their perception that Maplewood is racially diverse.
I think we may be in agreement.
tjohn said:
LOST said:I believe our kids are better off for growing in a town where the overall demographics indicate an mixed-race community even if there is a good deal of de facto segregation. My point, however, is that I don't think people frequenting Maplewood Village, for example, have many occasions to confront their built-in biases that might come in to play when you encounter young black men versus young white men late at night and so on.
There are many people who have made a conscious choice to purchase a home in "West Maplewood" as opposed to Millburn because of their perception that Maplewood is racially diverse.
Your point is poorly made. My life experiences aren’t limited to Maplewood VIlliage (where I spend several hours every year). Having lived and worked in Philly, Queens, Brooklyn , Manhattan and throughout NJ, I have numerous opportunities daily to “confront my built in biases” - whatever the hell that means.
And do you see the irony in your “sanctimonious” comment from your East Maplewood perspective and your “built-in” Us/Them bias?
author said:
ltc said:Pervades every day life........that is strange. I have lived in Maplewood for 40 years and never seen such a thing.
author said:Author - just own up to your disingenuousness. You didn't raise this as an issue of systemic racism that still pervades everyday life in America, even in Philadelphia. You just wanted to take a shot at Starbucks. So just say so and stop the nonsense.Without mentioning the incident..........clue us in as to what happened..Author has no grudge against them . He simply avoids a store that serves burnt tasting coffee ad offers some products that contain 5TBS of sugar
On topic, I think Starbucks made the right move to go all-in. I agree with the comment above that it was a much more powerful response then a pseudo- (or even real) apology or the typical "we have to do better in the future" or whatever PR firms usually conjure up. I'm absolutely sure that instances like what happened in Starbucks happens all the time at a variety of establishments. And it's inexcusable.
That's because you're white.
ml1 said:
author said:That's because you're white.
ltc said:Pervades every day life........that is strange. I have lived in Maplewood for 40 years and never seen such a thing.
author said:Author - just own up to your disingenuousness. You didn't raise this as an issue of systemic racism that still pervades everyday life in America, even in Philadelphia. You just wanted to take a shot at Starbucks. So just say so and stop the nonsense.Without mentioning the incident..........clue us in as to what happened..Author has no grudge against them . He simply avoids a store that serves burnt tasting coffee ad offers some products that contain 5TBS of sugar
On topic, I think Starbucks made the right move to go all-in. I agree with the comment above that it was a much more powerful response then a pseudo- (or even real) apology or the typical "we have to do better in the future" or whatever PR firms usually conjure up. I'm absolutely sure that instances like what happened in Starbucks happens all the time at a variety of establishments. And it's inexcusable.
I am part of a Mediterranean peoples. Some of my relatives have been asked by census takers if they are
Black
author said:
ml1 said:I am part of a Mediterranean peoples. Some of my relatives have been asked by census takers if they are
author said:That's because you're white.
ltc said:Pervades every day life........that is strange. I have lived in Maplewood for 40 years and never seen such a thing.
author said:Author - just own up to your disingenuousness. You didn't raise this as an issue of systemic racism that still pervades everyday life in America, even in Philadelphia. You just wanted to take a shot at Starbucks. So just say so and stop the nonsense.Without mentioning the incident..........clue us in as to what happened..Author has no grudge against them . He simply avoids a store that serves burnt tasting coffee ad offers some products that contain 5TBS of sugar
On topic, I think Starbucks made the right move to go all-in. I agree with the comment above that it was a much more powerful response then a pseudo- (or even real) apology or the typical "we have to do better in the future" or whatever PR firms usually conjure up. I'm absolutely sure that instances like what happened in Starbucks happens all the time at a variety of establishments. And it's inexcusable.
Black
please. No one is mistaking you for a black person.
author said:
ml1 said:I think this thread has just gone to hell
author said:yes. They never call the cops on the white juggling high-wire unicyclists
ml1 said:Still did the color of the mans' skin matter?
he wasn't on the sidewalk. He was on a high wire between two buildings.
it pretty much started there.
So local village mom and pop stores are to remain open while Starbucks closes for racial sensitivity training. Why is that a good thing. I'm not aware of any incidents of bias in our local Starbucks, but they are closing for training anyway. They should be applauded.
Over the years I've witnessed or seen reports of bias in three Maplewood Village establishments. Discrimination isn't limited to one Starbucks in Philly. .
Author - there have been racist incidents in both Maplewood and and South Orange over the years, some discussed here on MOL.
What exactly is your criticism of Starbucks? That they did something about it?
Sick...
Scully said:
Author - there have been racist incidents in both Maplewood and and South Orange over the years, some discussed here on MOL.
What exactly is your criticism of Starbucks? That they did something about it?
Sick...
Furnish specific information or keep your peace. No actually I am feeling pretty well these days.........
How about you?
My criticism of the S coffee place is that they are a weapon of mass destruction .
Only this one really exits and it is insidious. Would you let your 12 year old smoke? Yet you give them moey to buy a pink unicorn drink there which contains 5 tbs of sugar. Who is sick?
And to go further The manager of the Starklutx store called the police. I would be hard pressed to believe that she did so without checking with her regional manager
or whatever. This was done despite the fact that several white patrons on the scene said they had done the same thing. It's institutional till the public becomes aware.
and their profits are threatened.
author said:
I would be hard pressed to believe that she did so without checking with her regional manager
or whatever.
The two men who were arrested said they had arrived at the Starbucks around 4:35. The call to the police was placed at 4:37. Subtract the time for one of the men to ask to use the restroom, for him to be refused and to go sit down, and for the manager to go to the men’s table to ask if they wanted to order anything, and that leaves little opportunity for checking with a regional manager.
author said:
Scully said:Furnish specific information or keep your peace.
Author - there have been racist incidents in both Maplewood and and South Orange over the years, some discussed here on MOL.
In Maplewood, in 2018, it's insulting to the community, for you to tout your decades of living here and yet feign ignorance of the reality Ms. Scully described.
nohero said:
author said:In Maplewood, in 2018, it's insulting to the community, for you to tout your decades of living here and yet feign ignorance of the reality Ms. Scully described.
Scully said:Furnish specific information or keep your peace.
Author - there have been racist incidents in both Maplewood and and South Orange over the years, some discussed here on MOL.
I didn't provide any more specific information because I didn't think it was fair to rake a local business owner over the coals another time. The original telling of the story on Facebook generated hundreds and hundreds of comments. I'm insulted that author would think I'm lying about it unless I post links and detailed information about the incident.
DaveSchmidt said:
author said:The two men who were arrested said they had arrived at the Starbucks around 4:35. The call to the police was placed at 4:37. Subtract the time for one of the men to ask to use the restroom, for him to be refused and to go sit down, and for the manager to go to the men’s table to ask if they wanted to order anything, and that leaves little opportunity for checking with a regional manager.
I would be hard pressed to believe that she did so without checking with her regional manager
or whatever.
We are talking about a span of two minutes. Within that time the manager called the police on them
I have seen the owner of Village Coffee spend 10 minutes trying to calm down an obviously mentally
disturbed man before having an employee call the police
No doubt the Regional Manager was on speed dial...........30 seconds to dial him
Did she place a 911 call..........Emergency.....patron refuses to buy a cup of coffee
My friend Dimitri serving me a cup of coffee on the island of Aegina
I stay with his family on the other side of the island. Took me 10 minutes to figure out why his big dog would not respond to my commands in English
This is a really dumb thread. Author, get the hell over it already.
Thank you.
sbenois said:
This is a really dumb thread. Author, get the hell over it already.
Thank you.
And yet 59 comments have been made
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People with school age children in the portion of "West Maplewood" in the Jefferson School District have chosen to live, where, unlike the rest of Maplewood, their children are bused to Marshall School in South Orange for the purpose of racial diversity.
There are many people who have made a conscious choice to purchase a home in "West Maplewood" as opposed to Millburn because of their perception that Maplewood is racially diverse.