Local Village Mom and Pop coffee vendors to remain open
I think you're missing the point. It isn't Starbucks who systemically mistreats black people. It's the American public. Police officers can tell you about the number of calls they get from people worried about black people doing totally normal things.
The thing is, now the Giants have released Brandon Marshall we need to start a campaign to make sure they don't pick up Dez Bryant instead.
I won't name the establishment in order to avoid re-opening the pandora's box of hysteria that occurred on Facebook. But a local "mom and pop" shop in Maplewood managed to get itself in the middle of a similar event by calling the police on an African-American man going about his business innocently. Just about all of us are capable of doing such things under a particular set of circumstances.
That said, I also recognize that this is just author continuing his grudge against the Starbucks corporation.
I for one have been extremely impressed by Starbucks' response to this incident. And whoever is responsible to responding to posts on their corporate FB page is doing an outstanding job of explaining why they are closing their stores, and what they are trying to accomplish.
Check this out. How refreshing for people to hold themselves accountable like this. No excuses, no phony "if anyone was offended" apologies.
What we did was wrong. We hold ourselves accountable to making it right. From unconscious bias training, to reviews of our policies, you can and should expect more from us.
https://www.facebook.com/Starb...
author said:
Village Coffee, Palmers and Able Baker will not be closing anytime soon in order to offer "Racial sensitivity
training" to their employees.
Rather they will be offering their good coffee and locally made delicacies to all who visit.
More importantly they will continue to treat all those who are their guests with dignity and respect.
Even me.
It always moves me when West Maplewood gets all sanctimonious about racial diversity.
Tom_Reingold said:
I think you're missing the point. It isn't Starbucks who systemically mistreats black people. It's the American public. Police officers can tell you about the number of calls they get from people worried about black people doing totally normal things.
Tom..When no other store which have the same Black people as customers insults them in such a way
and one does. Something is wrong, very wrong
Philadelphia is not Missippi in the 1960's. And I was in Philadelphia Miss in the 1960's when this crap happened openly and often. And nobody in power on any level cared.
That deep pocketed vendor became concerned about this behavior when it was went viral through the internet. When their profits are threatened it is amazing how they respond.
And yes I am cynical but that in no way precludes being a realist
tjohn said:
author said:It always moves me when West Maplewood gets all sanctimonious about racial diversity.
Village Coffee, Palmers and Able Baker will not be closing anytime soon in order to offer "Racial sensitivity
training" to their employees.
Rather they will be offering their good coffee and locally made delicacies to all who visit.
More importantly they will continue to treat all those who are their guests with dignity and respect.
Even me.
Not diversity.......equality
author said:
tjohn said:Not diversity.......equality
author said:It always moves me when West Maplewood gets all sanctimonious about racial diversity.
Village Coffee, Palmers and Able Baker will not be closing anytime soon in order to offer "Racial sensitivity
training" to their employees.
Rather they will be offering their good coffee and locally made delicacies to all who visit.
More importantly they will continue to treat all those who are their guests with dignity and respect.
Even me.
Yes, it also moves me when West Maplewood gets all sanctimonious about racial equality - as if people ever really have to deal with deeply buried racial biases when living in West Maplewood.
ml1 said:
I won't name the establishment in order to avoid re-opening the pandora's box of hysteria that occurred on Facebook. But a local "mom and pop" shop in Maplewood managed to get itself in the middle of a similar event by calling the police on an African-American man going about his business innocently. Just about all of us are capable of doing such things under a particular set of circumstances.
That said, I also recognize that this is just author continuing his grudge against the Starbucks corporation.
I for one have been extremely impressed by Starbucks' response to this incident. And whoever is responsible to responding to posts on their corporate FB page is doing an outstanding job of explaining why they are closing their stores, and what they are trying to accomplish.
Check this out. How refreshing for people to hold themselves accountable like this. No excuses, no phony "if anyone was offended" apologies.
What we did was wrong. We hold ourselves accountable to making it right. From unconscious bias training, to reviews of our policies, you can and should expect more from us.
https://www.facebook.com/Starb...
Without mentioning the incident..........clue us in as to what happened..Author has no grudge against them . He simply avoids a store that serves burnt tasting coffee ad offers some products that contain 5TBS of sugar.
author said:
ml1 said:
I won't name the establishment in order to avoid re-opening the pandora's box of hysteria that occurred on Facebook. But a local "mom and pop" shop in Maplewood managed to get itself in the middle of a similar event by calling the police on an African-American man going about his business innocently. Just about all of us are capable of doing such things under a particular set of circumstances.
That said, I also recognize that this is just author continuing his grudge against the Starbucks corporation.
I for one have been extremely impressed by Starbucks' response to this incident. And whoever is responsible to responding to posts on their corporate FB page is doing an outstanding job of explaining why they are closing their stores, and what they are trying to accomplish.
Check this out. How refreshing for people to hold themselves accountable like this. No excuses, no phony "if anyone was offended" apologies.
What we did was wrong. We hold ourselves accountable to making it right. From unconscious bias training, to reviews of our policies, you can and should expect more from us.
https://www.facebook.com/Starb...
Without mentioning the incident..........clue us in as to what happened..Author has no grudge against them . He simply avoids a store that serves burnt tasting coffee and offers some products that contain 5TBS of sugar.
ridski said:
The thing is, now the Giants have released Brandon Marshall we need to start a campaign to make sure they don't pick up Dez Bryant instead.
Goo............aka The Greatest of Organizations is holding a meeting at Village Coffee tomorrow noon
No purchase is necessary and it is even open to those who think of a football as being round and
spell color with a U
ml1 said:
I did clue you in to what happened.
OK........I'll bite. What does going about his business mean? There are several connotations.
ml1 said:
I won't name the establishment in order to avoid re-opening the pandora's box of hysteria that occurred on Facebook. But a local "mom and pop" shop in Maplewood managed to get itself in the middle of a similar event by calling the police on an African-American man going about his business innocently. Just about all of us are capable of doing such things under a particular set of circumstances.
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author said:
ml1 said:OK........I'll bite. What does going about his business mean? There are several connotations.
I did clue you in to what happened.
One would have thought "innocently" would be enough.
ml1 said:
she had a fear of juggling pins
Well I think I might be concerned that he might run into a pedestrian, assuming he was riding on the sidewalk but I don't know that it was racial matter. She probably would have responded the same way if the juggler was white.
while I find the incident in Philadelphia embarrassing, I will say that I have been somewhat impressed with their response.
Closing 8000 stores for a day to train people on unconscious bias is a bold move.
Author, will VIlliage coffee be running a training for their entire staff on unconscious bias? Will the staff be paid while being trained?
tjohn said:
author said:Yes, it also moves me when West Maplewood gets all sanctimonious about racial equality - as if people ever really have to deal with deeply buried racial biases when living in West Maplewood.
tjohn said:Not diversity.......equality
author said:It always moves me when West Maplewood gets all sanctimonious about racial diversity.
Village Coffee, Palmers and Able Baker will not be closing anytime soon in order to offer "Racial sensitivity
training" to their employees.
Rather they will be offering their good coffee and locally made delicacies to all who visit.
More importantly they will continue to treat all those who are their guests with dignity and respect.
Even me.
tjohn. I understand your point but that’s a little over the top. I don’t think everyone west of the train tracks is immune from a valid opinion on the matter.
--- and what are they gonna do about the employees who replace people who quit or get fired and haven't had the new training?
More interesting to me --- if you were running the training, what would it consist of?
I'm surprised it took the OP a whole week to post this.
My experience is that when people around here receive bad service or perceive the most minor of slights, they run to MOL and/or FB SOMa lounge to report it. Aside from generic complaints about Starbucks - it's corporate, it's not a mom and pop, X has better coffee - I haven't heard one person complain about the service they experienced in the Starbucks in Maplewood village.
Is this thread about the gentlemen who were sitting in a Philly Starbucks, but not engaging in any commerce with the establishment?
TomR
Tom_R said:
Is this thread about the gentlemen who were sitting in a Philly Starbucks, but not engaging in any commerce with the establishment?
TomR
I was surprised to hear that Starbucks' corporate policy is to not require a purchase to sit in the store.
mrincredible said:
Tom_R said:I was surprised to hear that Starbucks' corporate policy is to not require a purchase to sit in the store.
Is this thread about the gentlemen who were sitting in a Philly Starbucks, but not engaging in any commerce with the establishment?
TomR
That’s always been Starbucks policy.
apple44 said:
I'm surprised it took the OP a whole week to post this.
My experience is that when people around here receive bad service or perceive the most minor of slights, they run to MOL and/or FB SOMa lounge to report it. Aside from generic complaints about Starbucks - it's corporate, it's not a mom and pop, X has better coffee - I haven't heard one person complain about the service they experienced in the Starbucks in Maplewood village.
Most Starbucks are corporate...........some few are individually owned. They will be exempt from "racially
sensitive training". As far as why it took a whole week to post this...........it is a big world and it takes a
while to solve all its problems, especially as I grow older. However I started drinking a tea from Village
Coffee consisting of black Indian tea, tumeric,ground on the premises ginger, honey and frothed milk.
Now I can comment on events before they happen.
Tom_Reingold said:
No, I still think you're missing the point.
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Village Coffee, Palmers and Able Baker will not be closing anytime soon in order to offer "Racial sensitivity
training" to their employees.
Rather they will be offering their good coffee and locally made delicacies to all who visit.
More importantly they will continue to treat all those who are their guests with dignity and respect.
Even me.