Is there a reason to deny McCabe his pension?
I think this is an awful thing to do to someone. If there was some criminal behavior, let a court sort that out and suspend a pension if he's found guilty. It just seems like such a slimebag move. Gee, what a shock.
If President Trump is every removed from office and facing possible criminal prosecution, I hope this act of vindictiveness is remembered when people ask whether a Ford-Nixon-style pardon should occur so that everyone can "move on."
This is sickening. Trump and Donald Jr. are tweeting high fives.
McCabe will lose $1 million in pension benefits - he doesn't lose his entire pension.
Are you all claiming that both the IG and OPR that called for him to be fired are complicit in some plot by Trump?
He lied. The only question now is does he get indicted for a crime or allowed to skate on some non-criminal offense.
BCC said:
Are you all claiming that both the IG and OPR that called for him to be fired are complicit in some plot by Trump?
He lied. The only question now is does he get indicted for a crime or allowed to skate on some non-criminal offense.
What's the crime? "Lack of candor" is not a federal crime.
cramer said:
BCC said:
Are you all claiming that both the IG and OPR that called for him to be fired are complicit in some plot by Trump?
He lied. The only question now is does he get indicted for a crime or allowed to skate on some non-criminal offense.
What's the crime? "Lack of candor" is not a federal crime.
The crime is lying to the IG. under oath. The IG and the opd both recommended firing him, which they did.. The only remaining question is whether or not it is sufficient to have an indictment brought.
Since you don't have a clue as to what he's actually being accused of, (lacking the OPR report, as we are) your enthusiasm for his firing is a bit disturbing.
And if the IG and OPR were so up and up (who are those people exactly? Do you have any idea?), they might want to investigate the far more obvious "lack of candor" that AG Sessions demonstrated in multiple hearings last year.
BCC said:
Are you all claiming that both the IG and OPR that called for him to be fired are complicit in some plot by Trump?
He lied. The only question now is does he get indicted for a crime or allowed to skate on some non-criminal offense.
BCC said:
Are you all claiming that both the IG and OPR that called for him to be fired are complicit in some plot by Trump?
He lied. The only question now is does he get indicted for a crime or allowed to skate on some non-criminal offense.
What was McCabe's specific lie? Even Jeff Sessions won't go that far, saying McCabe "lacked candor." Now that's a serious, potentially fireable, offense for an FBI agent. Assuming that the IG and OPR did this one by-the-book, maybe the result would have been the same had McCabe gotten the review process he's entitled to rather than a 10 p.m. Friday night sacking, two days before his retirement, that, it turns out, is the opening act for Trump's lawyer to call for Mueller's firing.
But just because the firing might be justified, that doesn't exclude vindictiveness on the president's part or an overall strategy designed to discredit everyone who has incriminating information about him. Here's the president's late-night tweet, which seems to reflect vindictiveness:
Andrew McCabe FIRED, a great day for the hard working men and women of the FBI - A great day for Democracy. Sanctimonious James Comey was his boss and made McCabe look like a choirboy. He knew all about the lies and corruption going on at the highest levels of the FBI!
Of course, the president has frequently lied about McCabe saying that Hillary gave his wife money for her Democratic political campaign.
If it is true that McCabe leaked information that benefited Trump against Hillary he deserves much worse than just being fired a couple of hours before he retires. I have always found the FBI's behavior (including Comey's) in the 2016 election very questionable. Leaking all this information about all these supposed "investigations" into Hillary's emails, while at the same time being silent about the fact that they knew that Trump campaign officials were in bed with Russia. Shameful, especially given how close the election turned out to be. Whoever was responsible for that deserves to be fired and put in jail.
I would say that it's more an enthusiasm for disagreeing with people like you.
drummerboy said:
Since you don't have a clue as to what he's actually being accused of, (lacking the OPR report, as we are) your enthusiasm for his firing is a bit disturbing.
BCC said:
Are you all claiming that both the IG and OPR that called for him to be fired are complicit in some plot by Trump?
He lied. The only question now is does he get indicted for a crime or allowed to skate on some non-criminal offense.
touche
ml1 said:
I would say that it's more an enthusiasm for disagreeing with people like you.
drummerboy said:
Since you don't have a clue as to what he's actually being accused of, (lacking the OPR report, as we are) your enthusiasm for his firing is a bit disturbing.
BCC said:
Are you all claiming that both the IG and OPR that called for him to be fired are complicit in some plot by Trump?
He lied. The only question now is does he get indicted for a crime or allowed to skate on some non-criminal offense.
From what we know so far, I don't think McCabe was very involved in all of that, but I do agree that the FBI's behavior, especially in late October with the Huma emails, was despicable. The number of leaks that hurt Hillary - all inaccurate - that were coming out of the FBI in those few days was amazing, and I'm surprised that nothing has been done about it. It's barely been mentioned in the media too. I hope that if the Dems regain the House or the Senate, that they investigate that. People definitely need to be fired for that.
gerritn said:
If it is true that McCabe leaked information that benefited Trump against Hillary he deserves much worse than just being fired a couple of hours before he retires. I have always found the FBI's behavior (including Comey's) in the 2016 election very questionable. Leaking all this information about all these supposed "investigations" into Hillary's emails, while at the same time being silent about the fact that they knew that Trump campaign officials were in bed with Russia. Shameful, especially given how close the election turned out to be. Whoever was responsible for that deserves to be fired and put in jail.
Andrew McCabe - Republican
James Comey - Republican
Robert Muelller - Republican
Rod Rosenstein - Republican
All of these Republicans are not part of some liberal FBI scheme.
i find it very interesting that in the past, Andrew McCabe has focused upon the prosecution of members of the Russian mob. I hope Mueller looks into this bit. It will probably be....fruitful!
Stoughton said:
BCC said:
Are you all claiming that both the IG and OPR that called for him to be fired are complicit in some plot by Trump?
He lied. The only question now is does he get indicted for a crime or allowed to skate on some non-criminal offense.
What was McCabe's specific lie? Even Jeff Sessions won't go that far, saying McCabe "lacked candor." Now that's a serious, potentially fireable, offense for an FBI agent. Assuming that the IG and OPR did this one by-the-book, maybe the result would have been the same had McCabe gotten the review process he's entitled to rather than a 10 p.m. Friday night sacking, two days before his retirement, that, it turns out, is the opening act for Trump's lawyer to call for Mueller's firing.
But just because the firing might be justified, that doesn't exclude vindictiveness on the president's part or an overall strategy designed to discredit everyone who has incriminating information about him. Here's the president's late-night tweet, which seems to reflect vindictiveness:
Andrew McCabe FIRED, a great day for the hard working men and women of the FBI - A great day for Democracy. Sanctimonious James Comey was his boss and made McCabe look like a choirboy. He knew all about the lies and corruption going on at the highest levels of the FBI!
Of course, the president has frequently lied about McCabe saying that Hillary gave his wife money for her Democratic political campaign.
McCabe was accused of more than 'lack of candor' he was accused of unauthorized disclosure and misleading. The OPR and the IG would hardly recommend firing for some trivial offense and it would not surprise me if they are now buried in BS.
This was Sessions comment
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/andrew-mccabe-fired-fbi_us_5aa9af61e4b0004c04070d10
Pursuant to Department Order 1202, and based on the report of the Inspector General, the findings of the FBI Office of Professional Responsibility, and the recommendation of the Department’s senior career official, I have terminated the employment of Andrew McCabe effective immediately.
The grounds for firing were there. Vindictiveness is another story.
ml1 said:
I would say that it's more an enthusiasm for disagreeing with people like you.
drummerboy said:
Since you don't have a clue as to what he's actually being accused of, (lacking the OPR report, as we are) your enthusiasm for his firing is a bit disturbing.
BCC said:
Are you all claiming that both the IG and OPR that called for him to be fired are complicit in some plot by Trump?
He lied. The only question now is does he get indicted for a crime or allowed to skate on some non-criminal offense.
What makes you think you and db are that important? You might have noticed I pay no attention to either of your comments.
Firing someone two days before he retires is very mean-spirited with respect to anyone who did not commit an actual crime involving moral turpitude such as stealing. Think about. An organization discovers that a 21 year veteran with an otherwise spotless record employee has violated the organization's rules. Someone says "He should be fired ". Is it not likely that the response would be "The guy's retiring in a couple of days anyway. Why bother"? Let it be"?
LOST said:
An organization discovers that a 21 year veteran with an otherwise spotless record employee has violated the organization's rules. Someone says "He should be fired ". Is it not likely that the response would be "The guy's retiring in a couple of days anyway. Why bother"? Let it be"?
The F.B.I. is not exactly Trader Joe’s.
I am not surprised that nothing has been done about it. It's for the same reason that nothing has been done about Russian meddling in our election systems, and as it now turns out in other critical systems too. Trump is a crook to begin with, and he clearly has something to hide w.r.t. Russia. And the Republicans are all principled patriots, until the guy in the WH is a white republican male.
drummerboy said:
From what we know so far, I don't think McCabe was very involved in all of that, but I do agree that the FBI's behavior, especially in late October with the Huma emails, was despicable. The number of leaks that hurt Hillary - all inaccurate - that were coming out of the FBI in those few days was amazing, and I'm surprised that nothing has been done about it. It's barely been mentioned in the media too. I hope that if the Dems regain the House or the Senate, that they investigate that. People definitely need to be fired for that.
gerritn said:
If it is true that McCabe leaked information that benefited Trump against Hillary he deserves much worse than just being fired a couple of hours before he retires. I have always found the FBI's behavior (including Comey's) in the 2016 election very questionable. Leaking all this information about all these supposed "investigations" into Hillary's emails, while at the same time being silent about the fact that they knew that Trump campaign officials were in bed with Russia. Shameful, especially given how close the election turned out to be. Whoever was responsible for that deserves to be fired and put in jail.
BCC said:
ml1 said:
I would say that it's more an enthusiasm for disagreeing with people like you.
drummerboy said:
Since you don't have a clue as to what he's actually being accused of, (lacking the OPR report, as we are) your enthusiasm for his firing is a bit disturbing.
BCC said:
Are you all claiming that both the IG and OPR that called for him to be fired are complicit in some plot by Trump?
He lied. The only question now is does he get indicted for a crime or allowed to skate on some non-criminal offense.
What makes you think you and db are that important? You might have noticed I pay no attention to either of your comments.
One of the things that sucks about ignoring someone is that at some point it becomes necessary to tell them they're being ignored.
BCC said:
Stoughton said:McCabe was accused of more than 'lack of candor' he was accused of unauthorized disclosure and misleading. The OPR and the IG would hardly recommend firing for some trivial offense and it would not surprise me if they are now buried in BS.
This was Sessions comment
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/andrew-mccabe-fired-fbi_us_5aa9af61e4b0004c04070d10
Pursuant to Department Order 1202, and based on the report of the Inspector General, the findings of the FBI Office of Professional Responsibility, and the recommendation of the Department’s senior career official, I have terminated the employment of Andrew McCabe effective immediately.
The grounds for firing were there. Vindictiveness is another story.
Robert Hanssen's in a supermax prison after spying for the Russians for 22 years. He kept his pension.
DaveSchmidt said:
LOST said:
An organization discovers that a 21 year veteran with an otherwise spotless record employee has violated the organization's rules. Someone says "He should be fired ". Is it not likely that the response would be "The guy's retiring in a couple of days anyway. Why bother"? Let it be"?
The F.B.I. is not exactly Trader Joe’s.
We are not talking FBI, we are talking Trump Administration. A comparison to Trader Joe's is an insult to that fine purveyor of groceries.
that's a good defensive move. Ignore people who tear your arguments apart.
BCC said:
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What makes you think you and db are that important? You might have noticed I pay no attention to either of your comments.
that's nice that you take Sessions at his word.
Kind of cute actually.
To repeat, you don't have a damn clue if his firing was warranted. Why do you pretend otherwise?
BCC said:
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McCabe was accused of more than 'lack of candor' he was accused of unauthorized disclosure and misleading. The OPR and the IG would hardly recommend firing for some trivial offense and it would not surprise me if they are now buried in BS.
This was Sessions comment
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/andrew-mccabe-fired-fbi_us_5aa9af61e4b0004c04070d10
Pursuant to Department Order 1202, and based on the report of the Inspector General, the findings of the FBI Office of Professional Responsibility, and the recommendation of the Department’s senior career official, I have terminated the employment of Andrew McCabe effective immediately.
The grounds for firing were there. Vindictiveness is another story.
LOST said:
DaveSchmidt said:
LOST said:
An organization discovers that a 21 year veteran with an otherwise spotless record employee has violated the organization's rules. Someone says "He should be fired ". Is it not likely that the response would be "The guy's retiring in a couple of days anyway. Why bother"? Let it be"?
The F.B.I. is not exactly Trader Joe’s.
We are not talking FBI, we are talking Trump Administration. A comparison to Trader Joe's is an insult to that fine purveyor of groceries.
We are most certainly talking FBI. It was the FBI's OPR which called for MCCabe's firing.
ml1 said:
BCC said:
ml1 said:
I would say that it's more an enthusiasm for disagreeing with people like you.
drummerboy said:
Since you don't have a clue as to what he's actually being accused of, (lacking the OPR report, as we are) your enthusiasm for his firing is a bit disturbing.
BCC said:
Are you all claiming that both the IG and OPR that called for him to be fired are complicit in some plot by Trump?
He lied. The only question now is does he get indicted for a crime or allowed to skate on some non-criminal offense.
What makes you think you and db are that important? You might have noticed I pay no attention to either of your comments.
One of the things that sucks about ignoring someone is that at some point it becomes necessary to tell them they're being ignored.
When someone is too dense to realize he is being ignored you are left with no other choice but to alert him to the fact.
drummerboy said:
that's nice that you take Sessions at his word.
Kind of cute actually.
To repeat, you don't have a damn clue if his firing was warranted. Why do you pretend otherwise?
BCC said:
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McCabe was accused of more than 'lack of candor' he was accused of unauthorized disclosure and misleading. The OPR and the IG would hardly recommend firing for some trivial offense and it would not surprise me if they are now buried in BS.
This was Sessions comment
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/andrew-mccabe-fired-fbi_us_5aa9af61e4b0004c04070d10
Pursuant to Department Order 1202, and based on the report of the Inspector General, the findings of the FBI Office of Professional Responsibility, and the recommendation of the Department’s senior career official, I have terminated the employment of Andrew McCabe effective immediately.
The grounds for firing were there. Vindictiveness is another story.
The one who hasn't a clue is you.
You're so busy being insulting you don't seem to understand it was the IG and the OPR who said he should be fired. Sessions was acting on their advice and their advice was based on MCCabe' releasing unauthorized information and then lying to the FBI.
Do you know who the IG and OPR are and can I now count on you to dismiss them as Trump stooges.
Have you actually paid any attention to what is going on?
Please continue your comments. They act as comic relief in a serious discussion.
You know, BCC, without a detailed analysis of similar cases over, say, the last 50 years, we really can't draw any conclusions about the McCabe firing. I would guess that in most cases, he would have been allowed to go quietly into the night. But the Trump Administration is attacking the institutions of the U.S. Government and is, in fact, attacking the foundations of democracy - that whole free press thing. But you seem to be OK with that.
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McCabe's statement is telling.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://abcn.ws/2DyDKFh&ved=2ahUKEwiXivv5qPLZAhWL3YMKHUnrARAQhlQwG3oECAIQCQ&usg=AOvVaw2B8XpQANDbBR6ADzwKcXSx