It's more a justification for not voting at all. What has Joe Biden done for us? We are on the brink of WWIII and our climate is almost destroyed and we have zero health care or infrastructure or affordable education and now the price of food and fuel is going up and up. Things were better under Trump (who I despise). Neither party cares about ordinary people. We get nothing.
You do understand the concept of checks and balances, don't you? Three co-equal branches of government and all.
It's more a justification for not voting at all. What has Joe Biden done for us? We are on the brink of WWIII and our climate is almost destroyed and we have zero health care or infrastructure or affordable education and now the price of food and fuel is going up and up. Things were better under Trump (who I despise). Neither party cares about ordinary people. We get nothing.
It's more a justification for not voting at all. What has Joe Biden done for us? We are on the brink of WWIII and our climate is almost destroyed and we have zero health care or infrastructure or affordable education and now the price of food and fuel is going up and up. Things were better under Trump (who I despise). Neither party cares about ordinary people. We get nothing.
It's more a justification for not voting at all. What has Joe Biden done for us? We are on the brink of WWIII and our climate is almost destroyed and we have zero health care or infrastructure or affordable education and now the price of food and fuel is going up and up. Things were better under Trump (who I despise). Neither party cares about ordinary people. We get nothing.
And, just so you know, this is exactly what they want - to suppress the vote.
It's more a justification for not voting at all. What has Joe Biden done for us? We are on the brink of WWIII and our climate is almost destroyed and we have zero health care or infrastructure or affordable education and now the price of food and fuel is going up and up. Things were better under Trump (who I despise). Neither party cares about ordinary people. We get nothing.
It's 2022 now, not 2016. We know how the story went, and the "Both parties are the same" claim looks even less sensible now than it did back then. Everything you're complaining about (health care, infrastructure, education, Covid devastation, environment) was impacted by the actions/inactions of the President in office from 2017-2021.
You’ve made your point clear - Hunter is a harmless rascal and Joe is 100% innocent. Case closed, period, full stop.
But some other people may be less certain and not know everything about this situation like you do, and thus are more open-minded about what more is learned and whether there’s any fire behind the smoke. I count myself in this category.
more open-minded based on what you don't know?
that makes no sense.
Other than criticizing Joe, you've told us nothing about Hunter's activities, other than that they stink.
You're always talking from your gut.
Well from what I read, the investigation(s) into the web of self-dealing on the part of Biden family members (Hunter and James) is just getting started.
However, you apparently have all the information already -- the multi-million dollar contracts with foreign countries are just the equivalent of getting your son a landscaper job, and Joe is 100% clean.
It's amazing that MOL is free, given the incredible exclusive information shared on the platform.
You’ve made your point clear - Hunter is a harmless rascal and Joe is 100% innocent. Case closed, period, full stop.
But some other people may be less certain and not know everything about this situation like you do, and thus are more open-minded about what more is learned and whether there’s any fire behind the smoke. I count myself in this category.
more open-minded based on what you don't know?
that makes no sense.
Other than criticizing Joe, you've told us nothing about Hunter's activities, other than that they stink.
You're always talking from your gut.
Well from what I read, the investigation(s) into the web of self-dealing on the part of Biden family members (Hunter and James) is just getting started.
However, you apparently have all the information already -- the multi-million dollar contracts with foreign countries are just the equivalent of getting your son a landscaper job, and Joe is 100% clean.
It's amazing that MOL is free, given the incredible exclusive information shared on the platform.
what's amazing is somehow you think it makes sense that Joe Biden, in public service his whole life, at the pinnacle of his career as VP, decided to risk it all by colluding with his drug addict son to do something something with someone someone.
your logic is impeccable.
btw - Hunter did not have contracts with foreign countries. He had contracts with companies.
You’ve made your point clear - Hunter is a harmless rascal and Joe is 100% innocent. Case closed, period, full stop.
But some other people may be less certain and not know everything about this situation like you do, and thus are more open-minded about what more is learned and whether there’s any fire behind the smoke. I count myself in this category.
more open-minded based on what you don't know?
that makes no sense.
Other than criticizing Joe, you've told us nothing about Hunter's activities, other than that they stink.
You're always talking from your gut.
Well from what I read, the investigation(s) into the web of self-dealing on the part of Biden family members (Hunter and James) is just getting started.
However, you apparently have all the information already -- the multi-million dollar contracts with foreign countries are just the equivalent of getting your son a landscaper job, and Joe is 100% clean.
It's amazing that MOL is free, given the incredible exclusive information shared on the platform.
what's amazing is somehow you think it makes sense that Joe Biden, in public service his whole life, at the pinnacle of his career as VP, decided to risk it all by colluding with his drug addict son to do something something with someone someone.
your logic is impeccable.
btw - Hunter did not have contracts with foreign countries. He had contracts with companies.
the simplest explanation is that these companies trying to do business in other countries wanted to have the VP's son's name among their list of executives and offered Hunter a job.
and I'm trying to remember if any of the people outraged over Hunter Biden paid any attention to Ivanka, Don and Eric's business dealings around the world from 2017-21.
It's not surprising TFG is all over the laptop story because if we know anything at all about the Donald, his M.O. is to accuse others of what he and his family are guilty of.
Ultimately I don't think the whole sordid affair matters much. Biden isn't running again and if he does he isn't winning. If there is a GOP sweep this fall I guess it ratchets up from a distraction to a potential morass with wall-to-wall investigations and whatnot. Who knows if that turns up anything incriminating on Joe, but I wouldn't rule out that possibility.
You do understand the concept of checks and balances, don't you? Three co-equal branches of government and all.
All of the people in this thread are giving me reasons why horrible things will happen if I don't vote for Democrats. One insinuated that I must like Trump because I even hesitate. No where did I hear anything positive about voting for Democrats. No one said I would get healthcare, infrastructure, affordable education, a living wage, housing, clean water, food, childcare, or anything else I might like living in the richest country in the world.
It's clear the Democrats don't give a crap about ordinary people. Joe Biden is busy on his Moby Dick quest to rid the world of Vladimir Putin and he's willing to risk nuclear war to do that. Meanwhile the people in Russia seem to like Putin more than the people in the US like Joe Biden. Joe Biden has not kept any of his paltry election promises. Both parties are corrupted by the same monied interests. The Democrats have become Republicans and the Republicans have become fascists and the Democrats are fine with Nazis and endless war.
I'm done. And I thought this thread was supposed to be about Hunter's laptop. I think it should return to that topic.
Whether or not Joe Biden did anything illegal or unethical, his son’s international business dealings stink to high heaven. It’s safe to say Hunter would never have gotten anywhere within 3 time zones to the people he was in contact with were it not for his famous father - if his father were a factory worker, Hunter would be shooting H between his toes in a trailer somewhere, with rotten teeth and $10 to his name. Or dead, more likely.
This sordid saga will most likely dog Biden for the rest of his presidency. At the very least it doesn’t help his Amtrak-riding, honest, regular guy image, and I wouldn’t at all be surprised if Joe finds himself in hot water at some point.
But of course db definitively states “nope , nothing to see here folks, move along…”
These are great points. Also important to note that at the time Joe Biden was what they used to call a viceroy, basically running Ukraine as a US colony and telling them which prosecutors to fire.
These are great points. Also important to note that at the time Joe Biden was what they used to call a viceroy, basically running Ukraine as a US colony and telling them which prosecutors to fire.
Whether or not Joe Biden did anything illegal or unethical, his son’s international business dealings stink to high heaven. It’s safe to say Hunter would never have gotten anywhere within 3 time zones to the people he was in contact with were it not for his famous father - if his father were a factory worker, Hunter would be shooting H between his toes in a trailer somewhere, with rotten teeth and $10 to his name. Or dead, more likely.
This sordid saga will most likely dog Biden for the rest of his presidency. At the very least it doesn’t help his Amtrak-riding, honest, regular guy image, and I wouldn’t at all be surprised if Joe finds himself in hot water at some point.
But of course db definitively states “nope , nothing to see here folks, move along…”
These are great points. Also important to note that at the time Joe Biden was what they used to call a viceroy, basically running Ukraine as a US colony and telling them which prosecutors to fire.
oy. not this again. That prosecutor was criticized by numerous EU countries for not doing his job. And do you think it's somehow unheard of that a country attach conditions to foreign aid?
At least you're not claiming that the prosecutor was investigating Burisma and Hunter, which is usually what gets tagged along on this video.
Proves absolutely nothing. As do most of these videos. Like the Nuland one.
You do understand the concept of checks and balances, don't you? Three co-equal branches of government and all.
All of the people in this thread are giving me reasons why horrible things will happen if I don't vote for Democrats. One insinuated that I must like Trump because I even hesitate. No where did I hear anything positive about voting for Democrats. No one said I would get healthcare, infrastructure, affordable education, a living wage, housing, clean water, food, childcare, or anything else I might like living in the richest country in the world.
It's clear the Democrats don't give a crap about ordinary people. Joe Biden is busy on his Moby Dick quest to rid the world of Vladimir Putin and he's willing to risk nuclear war to do that. Meanwhile the people in Russia seem to like Putin more than the people in the US like Joe Biden. Joe Biden has not kept any of his paltry election promises. Both parties are corrupted by the same monied interests. The Democrats have become Republicans and the Republicans have become fascists and the Democrats are fine with Nazis and endless war.
I'm done. And I thought this thread was supposed to be about Hunter's laptop. I think it should return to that topic.
I think that you have this all wrong. The answer - if the question is how to get "healthcare, infrastructure, affordable education, a living wage, housing, clean water, food, childcare, or anything else I might like living in the richest country in the world" - is to work your **** off to get more Democrats elected who will vote for these things (that means, Democrats other than Manchin/Sinema). It certainly is not to not vote, vote for Republicans, vote for third party candidates, or parrot talking points that Democrats and Republicans are one and the same.
The laptop issue is a convenient way of finding out whether people are skeptical and judicious consumers of media, or whether they just uncritically search out that which they agree with.
There are other issues similar to this, of course, (hello Russiagate!) but the laptop is a good one because it is so easily debunked, and can so easily be shown to being distorted by right and alternative media.
e.g. anyone claiming something like "New York Times finally admit Hunter's laptop is real" (an actual NY Post headline) is basically lying, as the NYT has done no such thing. What the NYT did do, in their recent article on Hunter, is state that a number of emails that they were given were assessed to be legitimately from Hunter's email account.The NYT did not have access to the laptop, and therefore can't have anything to say about its provenance. And they didn't. (WAPO has done a similar analysis and come to similar conclusions. And the NY Post said the same thing about WAPO as the NYT.) The FBI has the laptop and while they probably know at this point whether it's Hunter's or not, that information has not been made public.
Let me be clear - I'm not saying the laptop is not Hunter's. I'm saying we don't know, and neither WAPO or NYT knows either. But at this point it's really "who cares"?
The other major point is that the emails have been read by the Times and others, and they have found nothing in the way of proof of corruption, whether it be about China, or Burisma or Joe Biden or whatever other bugaboos the right has come up with. The one area that Hunter clearly has a legal problem is with taxes - and that had nothing to do with the laptop.
The problem with this premise is the emails were precisely what made the story interesting. Sure, there was some other salacious stuff on the HD, but the emails were the core story.
Yet, it was unanimously written off by the Intelligence Community and the Corporate Press as Russian Disinformation. It clearly wasn't. We can quibble with how corrupt this looks, but for those out there that still believe in democracy, it must trouble you that there are people who are fine with this(and are allowed to vote).
You do understand the concept of checks and balances, don't you? Three co-equal branches of government and all.
All of the people in this thread are giving me reasons why horrible things will happen if I don't vote for Democrats. One insinuated that I must like Trump because I even hesitate. No where did I hear anything positive about voting for Democrats. No one said I would get healthcare, infrastructure, affordable education, a living wage, housing, clean water, food, childcare, or anything else I might like living in the richest country in the world.
It's clear the Democrats don't give a crap about ordinary people. Joe Biden is busy on his Moby Dick quest to rid the world of Vladimir Putin and he's willing to risk nuclear war to do that. Meanwhile the people in Russia seem to like Putin more than the people in the US like Joe Biden. Joe Biden has not kept any of his paltry election promises. Both parties are corrupted by the same monied interests. The Democrats have become Republicans and the Republicans have become fascists and the Democrats are fine with Nazis and endless war.
I'm done. And I thought this thread was supposed to be about Hunter's laptop. I think it should return to that topic.
I think that you have this all wrong. The answer - if the question is how to get "healthcare, infrastructure, affordable education, a living wage, housing, clean water, food, childcare, or anything else I might like living in the richest country in the world" - is to work your **** off to get more Democrats elected who will vote for these things (that means, Democrats other than Manchin/Sinema). It certainly is not to not vote, vote for Republicans, vote for third party candidates, or parrot talking points that Democrats and Republicans are one and the same.
Yes. Just like they've been doing in places like Detroit, LA, and San Francisco.
The laptop issue is a convenient way of finding out whether people are skeptical and judicious consumers of media, or whether they just uncritically search out that which they agree with.
There are other issues similar to this, of course, (hello Russiagate!) but the laptop is a good one because it is so easily debunked, and can so easily be shown to being distorted by right and alternative media.
e.g. anyone claiming something like "New York Times finally admit Hunter's laptop is real" (an actual NY Post headline) is basically lying, as the NYT has done no such thing. What the NYT did do, in their recent article on Hunter, is state that a number of emails that they were given were assessed to be legitimately from Hunter's email account.The NYT did not have access to the laptop, and therefore can't have anything to say about its provenance. And they didn't. (WAPO has done a similar analysis and come to similar conclusions. And the NY Post said the same thing about WAPO as the NYT.) The FBI has the laptop and while they probably know at this point whether it's Hunter's or not, that information has not been made public.
Let me be clear - I'm not saying the laptop is not Hunter's. I'm saying we don't know, and neither WAPO or NYT knows either. But at this point it's really "who cares"?
The other major point is that the emails have been read by the Times and others, and they have found nothing in the way of proof of corruption, whether it be about China, or Burisma or Joe Biden or whatever other bugaboos the right has come up with. The one area that Hunter clearly has a legal problem is with taxes - and that had nothing to do with the laptop.
The problem with this premise is the emails were precisely what made the story interesting. Sure, there was some other salacious stuff on the HD, but the emails were the core story.
Yet, it was unanimously written off by the Intelligence Community and the Corporate Press as Russian Disinformation. It clearly wasn't. We can quibble with how corrupt this looks, but for those out there that still believe in democracy, it must trouble you that there are people who are fine with this(and are allowed to vote).
early in the story there was zero confirmation that the emails were Hunter's. Not sure about you, but I prefer a press that has some journalistic standards.
The Russian Disinfo angle has been grossly overblown by the right-wing media. It was like a two day story.
and not to be cute, but right now, all we've got are hard disks that are purported copies from the laptop, hard disks whose chain of custody is dubious to say the least. It's still possible those hard disks were hacked and not actually copies from the laptop - we just don't know - and anyone pretending they know is lying.
As for the emails themselves, turns out there's nothing there, yet right-wing and alt media continue to blabber on about them, spinning lies and disinfo.
I think that you have this all wrong. The answer - if the question is how to get "healthcare, infrastructure, affordable education, a living wage, housing, clean water, food, childcare, or anything else I might like living in the richest country in the world" - is to work your **** off to get more Democrats elected who will vote for these things (that means, Democrats other than Manchin/Sinema). It certainly is not to not vote, vote for Republicans, vote for third party candidates, or parrot talking points that Democrats and Republicans are one and the same.
Democrats don't vote for these things. They pretend to and then "oh,no, the Parliamentarian says we can't do this." They have Manchin/Siema who vote No and then they just use that as an excuse. They don't take them out to the woodshed like they did with Bernie. They had the house and senate and they did nothing. Now they will lose big time and then they will have a permanent excuse. The only thing Democrats vote for are the military budget. They do what their donors tell them to.
The laptop issue is a convenient way of finding out whether people are skeptical and judicious consumers of media, or whether they just uncritically search out that which they agree with.
There are other issues similar to this, of course, (hello Russiagate!) but the laptop is a good one because it is so easily debunked, and can so easily be shown to being distorted by right and alternative media.
e.g. anyone claiming something like "New York Times finally admit Hunter's laptop is real" (an actual NY Post headline) is basically lying, as the NYT has done no such thing. What the NYT did do, in their recent article on Hunter, is state that a number of emails that they were given were assessed to be legitimately from Hunter's email account.The NYT did not have access to the laptop, and therefore can't have anything to say about its provenance. And they didn't. (WAPO has done a similar analysis and come to similar conclusions. And the NY Post said the same thing about WAPO as the NYT.) The FBI has the laptop and while they probably know at this point whether it's Hunter's or not, that information has not been made public.
Let me be clear - I'm not saying the laptop is not Hunter's. I'm saying we don't know, and neither WAPO or NYT knows either. But at this point it's really "who cares"?
The other major point is that the emails have been read by the Times and others, and they have found nothing in the way of proof of corruption, whether it be about China, or Burisma or Joe Biden or whatever other bugaboos the right has come up with. The one area that Hunter clearly has a legal problem is with taxes - and that had nothing to do with the laptop.
The problem with this premise is the emails were precisely what made the story interesting. Sure, there was some other salacious stuff on the HD, but the emails were the core story.
Yet, it was unanimously written off by the Intelligence Community and the Corporate Press as Russian Disinformation. It clearly wasn't. We can quibble with how corrupt this looks, but for those out there that still believe in democracy, it must trouble you that there are people who are fine with this(and are allowed to vote).
early in the story there was zero confirmation that the emails were Hunter's. Not sure about you, but I prefer a press that has some journalistic standards.
The Russian Disinfo angle has been grossly overblown by the right-wing media. It was like a two day story.
and not to be cute, but right now, all we've got are hard disks that are purported copies from the laptop, hard disks whose chain of custody is dubious to say the least. It's still possible those hard disks were hacked and not actually copies from the laptop - we just don't know - and anyone pretending they know is lying.
As for the emails themselves, turns out there's nothing there, yet right-wing and alt media continue to blabber on about them, spinning lies and disinfo.
Bless your heart.
51 intelligence community officials signed a letter saying it was Russian Disinformation. The NY Post, one of the largest newspapers in the country, was banned from social media. If you tried to post the link, it would block you. If it was a 2 day story, that's because it was squashed.
This is the same game as "the lab leak theory is a conspiracy theory".
and I'm trying to remember if any of the people outraged over Hunter Biden paid any attention to Ivanka, Don and Eric's business dealings around the world from 2017-21.
It's not surprising TFG is all over the laptop story because if we know anything at all about the Donald, his M.O. is to accuse others of what he and his family are guilty of.
I was horrified by Trump's kids, although I was not discussing it on MOL. Trump's kids were covered on the mainstream media constantly. Information about Biden's laptop was suppressed while Biden was running for office. There was a big cover up. Glen Greenwald quit his job at the Intercept because they refused to print his story about the laptop during the election.
On the other hand, did anyone notice Putin's kids seem to have turned out OK.
The laptop issue is a convenient way of finding out whether people are skeptical and judicious consumers of media, or whether they just uncritically search out that which they agree with.
There are other issues similar to this, of course, (hello Russiagate!) but the laptop is a good one because it is so easily debunked, and can so easily be shown to being distorted by right and alternative media.
e.g. anyone claiming something like "New York Times finally admit Hunter's laptop is real" (an actual NY Post headline) is basically lying, as the NYT has done no such thing. What the NYT did do, in their recent article on Hunter, is state that a number of emails that they were given were assessed to be legitimately from Hunter's email account.The NYT did not have access to the laptop, and therefore can't have anything to say about its provenance. And they didn't. (WAPO has done a similar analysis and come to similar conclusions. And the NY Post said the same thing about WAPO as the NYT.) The FBI has the laptop and while they probably know at this point whether it's Hunter's or not, that information has not been made public.
Let me be clear - I'm not saying the laptop is not Hunter's. I'm saying we don't know, and neither WAPO or NYT knows either. But at this point it's really "who cares"?
The other major point is that the emails have been read by the Times and others, and they have found nothing in the way of proof of corruption, whether it be about China, or Burisma or Joe Biden or whatever other bugaboos the right has come up with. The one area that Hunter clearly has a legal problem is with taxes - and that had nothing to do with the laptop.
The problem with this premise is the emails were precisely what made the story interesting. Sure, there was some other salacious stuff on the HD, but the emails were the core story.
Yet, it was unanimously written off by the Intelligence Community and the Corporate Press as Russian Disinformation. It clearly wasn't. We can quibble with how corrupt this looks, but for those out there that still believe in democracy, it must trouble you that there are people who are fine with this(and are allowed to vote).
early in the story there was zero confirmation that the emails were Hunter's. Not sure about you, but I prefer a press that has some journalistic standards.
The Russian Disinfo angle has been grossly overblown by the right-wing media. It was like a two day story.
and not to be cute, but right now, all we've got are hard disks that are purported copies from the laptop, hard disks whose chain of custody is dubious to say the least. It's still possible those hard disks were hacked and not actually copies from the laptop - we just don't know - and anyone pretending they know is lying.
As for the emails themselves, turns out there's nothing there, yet right-wing and alt media continue to blabber on about them, spinning lies and disinfo.
Bless your heart.
51 intelligence community officials signed a letter saying it was Russian Disinformation. The NY Post, one of the largest newspapers in the country, was banned from social media. If you tried to post the link, it would block you. If it was a 2 day story, that's because it was squashed.
This is the same game as "the lab leak theory is a conspiracy theory".
The 2-day story I referred to was the letter. It was not played up by the MSM nearly as much as even you're playing it up, much less the rw-media, who can't write a story without mentioning the letter. And you can't write a post without mentioning it either. Doubtful it had anything to do with how the MSM reported this story.
Twitter was being cautious (not saying I agree with them) because the Post story was mere conjecture at that point, and it was just before the election. Reportedly there were Post reporters who declined to sign off on the story because it was so weak. And I don't think twitter is all that critical for the Post to get their news out so that wasn't too big a deal anyway.
Unfortunately the Post doesn't have the greatest track record on truthful reporting that they've earned the benefit of the doubt.
It's 2022 now, not 2016. We know how the story went, and the "Both parties are the same" claim looks even less sensible now than it did back then. Everything you're complaining about (health care, infrastructure, education, Covid devastation, environment) was impacted by the actions/inactions of the President in office from 2017-2021.
We have been doing this argument for years so I suggest we stop doing it on the Hunter Biden laptop thread and take it up again on another day Foghorn Leghorn style.
and I'm trying to remember if any of the people outraged over Hunter Biden paid any attention to Ivanka, Don and Eric's business dealings around the world from 2017-21.
It's not surprising TFG is all over the laptop story because if we know anything at all about the Donald, his M.O. is to accuse others of what he and his family are guilty of.
I was horrified by Trump's kids, although I was not discussing it on MOL. Trump's kids were covered on the mainstream media constantly. Information about Biden's laptop was suppressed while Biden was running for office. There was a big cover up. Glen Greenwald quit his job at the Intercept because they refused to print his story about the laptop during the election.
On the other hand, did anyone notice Putin's kids seem to have turned out OK.
It wasn't a cover up. It was discretion about running a volatile story that had zero verification about its contents, weeks before the election.
No one ever talks about the fact that the original Post story was bullsh!t anyway. They pretended (and still do, to this day) that the emails proved some big scandal.
So "judicious consumer of media" equals people who subscribe to the same BS narrative that I do.
Has anyone ever wondered why the most clueless among us think they know what's best for everyone else?
Since the fact that two often go together ("the most clueless" with "think they know what's best for everyone else") does seem logical, your posts have never made me wonder why.
You do understand the concept of checks and balances, don't you? Three co-equal branches of government and all.