You have to have a mind to change your mind. Unless something drastic changes (and drastic things change every day) we lost the General election on Super Tuesday. Pathetic.....
Biden was talking about the ability of hospitals to meet the medical needs. This is in the article -
“The thing that is needed is, for example, we have a whole number of hospitals that are being stretched, including rural hospitals, they are going to need more financing. That doesn’t come from a single-payer system,” Biden said.
“That comes from the federal government stepping up and dealing with concerns that they have,” Biden said. “The reimbursement they are going to get, how they’re going to be able to move forward.”
Which is a different topic than insurance coverage.
He was asked specifically about Medicare for All (see my post above), and he said he does not support it and then went into a rambling babble about financing hospitals. He changed the topic. Medicare for All is not supposed to help hospitals meet medical needs. It's a health insurance program for users of the medical system.
yes. they are exact words. unfortunately your reading is not as exact.
He's saying that a single payer system is not the answer to fix the structural issues with our health care system that are hindering our response to the pandemic. And he's right.
You have to have a mind to change your mind. Unless something drastic changes (and drastic things change every day) we lost the General election on Super Tuesday. Pathetic.....
Biden was talking about the ability of hospitals to meet the medical needs. This is in the article -
“The thing that is needed is, for example, we have a whole number of hospitals that are being stretched, including rural hospitals, they are going to need more financing. That doesn’t come from a single-payer system,” Biden said.
“That comes from the federal government stepping up and dealing with concerns that they have,” Biden said. “The reimbursement they are going to get, how they’re going to be able to move forward.”
Which is a different topic than insurance coverage.
He was asked specifically about Medicare for All (see my post above), and he said he does not support it and then went into a rambling babble about financing hospitals. He changed the topic. Medicare for All is not supposed to help hospitals meet medical needs. It's a health insurance program for users of the medical system.
Right, and Biden recognized that, and pointed that out. Read his entire comments (which you already demonstrated that you have access to), to see that the topic was "coronavirus impact on health system". Which means, helping "hospitals meet medical needs".
Let me put it another way - you can have the most gold-plated insurance coverage, but you're siht-out-of-luck if the hospital doesn't have enough essential equipment such as a ventilator for you. You're criticizing Biden for an answer that pointed out that reality.
In response to a perfectly reasonable plea that coronavirus testing should be free, Bernie's mouthpiece goes into a "whatabout" using the accusation that if you're not for M4A, you're in favor of people dying.
This is a good start, but is it ok to die from cancer or diabetes becuase you’re poor? https://t.co/3emqCgcfC9
So, can one of you Biden supporters explain how Biden would eliminate the crushing deductibles and copays that plague Obamacare WHILE, at the same time providing cheap, accessible high quality healthcare to the ever increasing numbers of unemployed and even homeless people AND WHILE still retaining the cushy employer provided health insurance plans still enjoyed by and ever dwindling number of Americans WHILE avoiding the skyrocketing premiums being forecast in the light of covid AND avoiding the terrible sin that Honest Liz committed of promising to raise rich people's taxes?
I don't really care how much you all hate Bernie. That fight is, sadly, over. What I want to know is how you and your candidate are going to deal with this national economic holocaust when your current plan is so obviously lacking.
So, can one of you Biden supporters explain how Biden would eliminate the crushing deductibles and copays that plague Obamacare WHILE, at the same time providing cheap, accessible high quality healthcare to the ever increasing numbers of unemployed and even homeless people AND WHILE still retaining the cushy employer provided health insurance plans still enjoyed by and ever dwindling number of Americans WHILE avoiding the skyrocketing premiums being forecast in the light of covid AND avoiding the terrible sin that Honest Liz committed of promising to raise rich people's taxes?
Asking for a friend.....
Biden says that his plan is: "Instead of starting from scratch and getting rid of private insurance, he has a plan to build on the Affordable Care Act by giving Americans more choice, reducing health care costs, and making our health care system less complex to navigate."
the part that is disappointing to me is that Biden is still clinging to his "$35 trillion" campaign talking point (and wasn't it $32 trillion a few weeks ago? why is it higher now?). We argued this before, and it's a projection, as are the projections for Biden's plan, and projections if we stay with our current "system." There's no real consensus on what each will cost over the long term (they're projections after all), but most of the projections for the various plans are in the same ballpark, maybe a little more or a little less than the status quo. But the fact that Biden still tosses around that enormous number to cast doubt on M4A without mentioning the time horizon, or what the status quo is projected to cost, or what his enhanced Obamacare would cost is pretty shifty IMHO.
In the middle of this health crisis, the fact that Biden is stubbornly clinging to campaign talking points, even though the health care environment has changed in a cataclysmic way very quickly is bothersome. It's one of the concerns I expressed about Biden months and months ago -- he is very loathe to admit any position he's held in the past might have been wrong at the time, or even that it's wrong now under different circumstances. Even when he does admit a mistake, it seems pretty grudging. And if the last three years, and the eight W Bush years showed us anything, a president's stubborn refusal to admit being wrong can lead disastrous outcomes.
There's still time for Biden's thinking to evolve on this. So I hope it does. This crisis should be forcing our country to consider what tens of millions of people without coverage, and perhaps a hundred million more crushed by copays and out of pocket costs means for public health.
In response to a perfectly reasonable plea that coronavirus testing should be free, Bernie's mouthpiece goes into a "whatabout" using the accusation that if you're not for M4A, you're in favor of people dying.
They can't even stop being deliberately nasty, no matter what.
Ms. Gray consistently shows us that she's an a$$. I'm surprised she hasn't been canned yet. She's the damn campaign spokesperson fergawdsake.
Ms. Gray consistently shows us that she's an a$$. I'm surprised she hasn't been canned yet. She's the damn campaign spokesperson fergawdsake.
If Bernie did become President, and she became White House Press Secretary, she could make Sarah Huckabee Sanders look like "Mrs. Doubtfire" in comparison.
Here's a question for Nan -- let's say the Deus ex machina descends, hands Sanders the nomination, Democrats take the Senate and abolish the filibuster, and Schumer and Pelosi get Medicare-for-those-who-want-it passed. Does Sanders veto it because it's not Medicare-for-All?
yes. they are exact words. unfortunately your reading is not as exact.
He's saying that a single payer system is not the answer to fix the structural issues with our health care system that are hindering our response to the pandemic. And he's right.
Obviously.
Let's go back to the question asked. He needs to answer the question asked. He does not. He says single payer would not fix a problem it was not designed to fix. Does the ACA fix the same problem? He should be arguing for his healthcare plan to fix the huge problem of people not being covered by insurance or under-insured. She is asking about healthcare coverage and he is answering about hospital capacity, which is important, but a different question.
Let's go back to the question asked. He needs to answer the question asked. He does not. He says single payer would not fix a problem it was not designed to fix. Does the ACA fix the same problem? He should be arguing for his healthcare plan to fix the huge problem of people not being covered by insurance or under-insured. She is asking about healthcare coverage and he is answering about hospital capacity, which is important, but a different question.
The question asked started: "Our health care system seems to be crumbling under this crisis." That's not a coverage issue.
Maybe the questioner was confusing the issues. At least Joe has his wits about him, and could explain how M4A is not the same issue as dealing with hospital capacity and resources.
Let's go back to the question asked. He needs to answer the question asked. He does not. He says single payer would not fix a problem it was not designed to fix. Does the ACA fix the same problem? He should be arguing for his healthcare plan to fix the huge problem of people not being covered by insurance or under-insured. She is asking about healthcare coverage and he is answering about hospital capacity, which is important, but a different question.
The question as asked makes no sense. There's nothing in that question that implies she's asking about coverage.
The question asked started: "Our health care system seems to be crumbling under this crisis." That's not a coverage issue.
Maybe the questioner was confusing the issues. At least Joe has his wits about him, and could explain how M4A is not the same issue as dealing with hospital capacity and resources.
She does not explain what she means by that but it could be related to Medicare for All vs ACA. She could mean that people without coverage are ending up with bills or are afraid to go to the hospital because of costs. Just read another horror story about someone's mother who died because she did not have insurance. So people dying and going bankrupt are part of our crumbling healthcare system specifically related to Medicare for All. Joe's plan will not help that, so he just talked about something else. He seemed to be rambling to me. Not giving me any confidence that he is the leader we need in these times.
The question asked started: "Our health care system seems to be crumbling under this crisis." That's not a coverage issue.
Maybe the questioner was confusing the issues. At least Joe has his wits about him, and could explain how M4A is not the same issue as dealing with hospital capacity and resources.
She does not explain what she means by that but it could be related to Medicare for All vs ACA. She could mean that people without coverage are ending up with bills or are afraid to go to the hospital because of costs.
That's a stretch. The whole interview was about the medical response to the crisis, not insurance coverage.
In response to a perfectly reasonable plea that coronavirus testing should be free, Bernie's mouthpiece goes into a "whatabout" using the accusation that if you're not for M4A, you're in favor of people dying.
They can't even stop being deliberately nasty, no matter what.
I agree with her. If you are not in favor of M4A, you are in favor of people dying because that's what happens when you don't cover everyone. Maybe it's better to just say you are OK with people dying. Joe Biden is OK with people dying so his medical health industry donors are still making good profits.
In response to a perfectly reasonable plea that coronavirus testing should be free, Bernie's mouthpiece goes into a "whatabout" using the accusation that if you're not for M4A, you're in favor of people dying.
They can't even stop being deliberately nasty, no matter what.
I agree with her. If you are not in favor of M4A, you are in favor of people dying ...
Thanks for providing another example of what I was pointing out.
Biden says that his plan is: "Instead of starting from scratch and getting rid of private insurance, he has a plan to build on the Affordable Care Act by giving Americans more choice, reducing health care costs, and making our health care system less complex to navigate."
I'm just pointing this out, as the starting point for any discussion of what he's proposing.
"More choice" What kind of "choice" do you have when you are broke and you lose your job? With the ACA you get to pay a $700-$2000 fine for not having healthcare.
As directed, I went to Joe Biden's website and clicked on healthcare. I found paragraphs of gobbledygook platitudes and then there is was!!!! "ACCESS TO HEALTHCARE" I also have access to drive a Mercedes and access to run for president and to wear a size 0 bikini too.
and TAX CREDITS!!!!!!! AFFORDABLE!!!!! (no definition of the term)
The same old neoliberal breadcrumbs and this is what he's promising while running! What is going to happen when it gets watered down? We will be back to to the SOS or worse in no time.
This is pathetic. If you are not voting for Bernie, you are part of the problem.
It would be great if we could somehow have this conversation without using the words "Bernie" or "Biden". That's the conversation you guys are having on every other campaign related thread.
It would be great if we could somehow have this conversation without using the words "Bernie" or "Biden". That's the conversation you guys are having on every other campaign related thread.
You better get used to hearing the name Biden. He is our next President.
It would be great if we could somehow have this conversation without using the words "Bernie" or "Biden". That's the conversation you guys are having on every other campaign related thread.
You better get used to hearing the name Biden. He is our next President.
I love your embrace of unfounded optimism. I will bookmark this thread and look back at it with nostalgia during the Third Trump Administration.
That said, I was hoping for more of a discussion of policy than personality. You all hate Bernie while Nan and many others hate Biden. If we accept that fact, is it possible to move beyond it?
That said, I was hoping for more of a discussion of policy than personality. You all hate Bernie while Nan and many others hate Biden. If we accept that fact, is it possible to move beyond it?
I don't really care how much you all hate Bernie. That fight is, sadly, over. What I want to know is how you and your candidate are going to deal with this national economic holocaust when your current plan is so obviously lacking.
- which I why I posted the link to Biden's (the other candidate) proposal.
As Coronavirus Exposes Deep Flaws of For-Profit System, Biden Doubles Down on Opposition to Medicare for All
"This is a losing politics."
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/03/30/coronavirus-exposes-deep-flaws-profit-system-biden-doubles-down-opposition-medicare