Dining out spreads contagion of COVID-19. Scientific Fact or Political Fiction?
I do not know where the OP lives but the outdoor dining tables in Maplewood Village were 100% full one recent night . This was a result of action by the Municipal Township Committee which changed the rules to help the local businesses.
And if the state institutes a vaccine mandate for indoor dining, it will exclude only a small portion of people age 12+.
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ConcernedHighTaxPayer said:
I don't believe in coincidences.
Coincidentally, neither do I.
STANV said:
For what it's worth and FYI, to my knowledge, and I have lots in this area, no member of the Maplewood Township Committee has ever run for higher office.
Nobody wants them! No one is crazy enough to run on their own. They need to be supported and called up by the party. That's why they do all these shenanigans. They try to look progressive and liberal to be called up by someone to run and have a serious shot, but nobody wants them. These days it's all about appeasing the party. Then they let you run. Come on man, watch some "House of Cards".
ridski said:
Coincidentally, neither do I.
If I get the most cut and pastes does that qualify me to run for office in Maplewood Township? Does that mean I'm popular? Woo Hoo! I'm running that's it I'm in! I'm using my username as my slogan.
ConcernedHighTaxPayer said:
If I get the most cut and pastes does that qualify me to run for office in Maplewood Township? Does that mean I'm popular? Woo Hoo! I'm running that's it I'm in! I'm using my username as my slogan.
I’d consider changing my username and running against you as TheRentsIsTooDamnHIGH (emphasis on HIGH), but alas, I live in South Orange.
Off to watch House of Cards…
ConcernedHighTaxPayer said:
These days it's all about appeasing the party. Then they let you run.
Unlike the gee whiz good old days of clean honorable politics without party machines. Everybody remember those good old days?
ConcernedHighTaxPayer said:
Controversy creates fame and that's all these types are looking for in search of higher political positions in State government.
Responsible mayors around the state are following state guidance. Murphy does have qualified people trying to figure out the best response to the pandemic. The leadership of South Orange and Maplewood is not looking for political gain. They are just acting responsibly to save lives. Conversely, those political leaders seeking to block mask mandates (most famously, DeSantis) are looking to profit politically from the pandemic.
bub said:
ConcernedHighTaxPayer said:
These days it's all about appeasing the party. Then they let you run.Unlike the gee whiz good old days of clean honorable politics without party machines. Everybody remember those good old days?
I remember reading of it.
The good old days when party bosses picked candidates and primaries were marginalized. I bet Trump wouldn't have been picked. When congress was mostly responsible leaders willing to lead for the countries benefit, and also theirs I admit.
What do we have now? Demagoguery at the lowest level pandering to the base instincts of the mob. How's that working out for us?
Why anyone would want to eat in a room full of strangers during a pandemic of the airborne kind in the first place is lost on me. I havent been to an indoor restaurant in some time..
the_18th_letter said:
Why anyone would want to eat in a room full of strangers during a pandemic of the airborne kind in the first place is lost on me. I havent been to an indoor restaurant in some time..
more than any government restrictions, it appears that restaurants and other indoor businesses are suffering because of the number of people who won't patronize them until the pandemic ends. So people can rail at the governor or the TC or whomever, but you can't force people to go to restaurants or theaters or night clubs if they don't feel safe.
ml1 said:
more than any government restrictions, it appears that restaurants and other indoor businesses are suffering because of the number of people who won't patronize them until the pandemic ends. So people can rail at the governor or the TC or whomever, but you can't force people to go to restaurants or theaters or night clubs if they don't feel safe.
To be fair. Before the pandemic I rarely ate inside a restaurant so there is really nothing for me to get back to personally. I do feel for people losing livelihoods but I was never a source of revenue for them anyway.
RTrent said:
bub said:
ConcernedHighTaxPayer said:
These days it's all about appeasing the party. Then they let you run.Unlike the gee whiz good old days of clean honorable politics without party machines. Everybody remember those good old days?
I remember reading of it.
The good old days when party bosses picked candidates and primaries were marginalized. I bet Trump wouldn't have been picked. When congress was mostly responsible leaders willing to lead for the countries benefit, and also theirs I admit.
What do we have now? Demagoguery at the lowest level pandering to the base instincts of the mob. How's that working out for us?
Party bosses in Maplewood effectively pick who will be on the Town Committee when they decide whom to endorse. The political machine is alive and well in Maplewood.
ml1 said:
nothing
The CDC reported recently that the proper distance to be from each other during the pandemic to avoid being infected with COVID-19 was and always has been 10 feet. They claim this applies to both indoor and outdoor dining, but politicians in the White House and Congress wanted to give the people a simple way of remembering the distance they were to be distanced so they agreed on 6 feet. The CDC claims politicians made this decision even though they knew the CDC said 10 feet was appropriate because people can relate to 6 feet better than 10 feet.
Now, why are politicians saying vaccinated people are safe, businesses who follow the CDC guidelines of 6 feet separation are safer, and that dining out with these restrictions in some way reduces the number of COVID-19 cases? This is all false.
People who are vaccinated can still get COVID-19. The CDC guidelines indicated from the beginning that the proper distance of separation was 10 feet. And dining out with restrictions (indoors or outdoors) does not reduce the cases of COVID-19.
They are lying to us, but they are politicians. It's kind of what they do.
yahooyahoo said:
Party bosses in Maplewood effectively pick who will be on the Town Committee when they decide whom to endorse. The political machine is alive and well in Maplewood.
All discussions of the cabal should be in the "All Politics" section, so as not to frighten the general population.
drummerboy said:
terp - er CHTP,
do you believe that covid spreads through the air?
Yeah -- in earlier threads, when we had a lot less information and there were more legitimately open questions, I was more inclined to grant some benefit of the doubt. But CHTP seems to be operating from what are, bluntly, stupid premises here. If he accepts the the virus spreads through the air, then quite obviously distancing, masking, ventilation, and other mitigation measures help. And if he doesn't, well, how does he think it spreads -- magic?
yahooyahoo said:
Party bosses in Maplewood effectively pick who will be on the Town Committee when they decide whom to endorse. The political machine is alive and well in Maplewood.
you can just as easily say that the Republican party of Maplewood effectively defaults to the endorsed candidate by not even bothering to put up an opponent.
I'm going to go on a long rant here, because I'm feeling a bit cranky and CHTP's writing style annoys me. I mean, let's start with his user name. He creates it and uses it to post on two topics -- safety in a park, and covid. And he thinks that the most relevant aspect to these topics is how much he pays in taxes. Oh sure, he says things like he cares about small businesses and safety, but he chose his own user name and that's what he decided to lead with -- his taxes. So already his willingness or ability to step beyond his own personal concern and consider people around him is questionable -- I don't think anyone gasping their last breath in a covid ward is using it to curse NJ property tax rates.
Anyway, I don't live in Maplewood and don't have much info or insight into the lighting situation. I assume Memorial Park is the one by the train station -- it's a nice park and, apparently, the lighting situation has been resolved, which is good to hear. But this covid BS...
If I had no ethics and was solely looking to become as wealth as possible, I would switch careers and be absolutely raking it in selling conspiracy theories and miracle cures to conservative covid skeptics. All you have to do is say mean things about politicians and they immediately drop all caution and will happily buy anything you sell them, in the name of "owning the libs." It's positively Pavlovian-- though of course Pavlov worked with dogs which, presumably, are at least intelligent enough to recognize a bad smell despite whatever response the ringing bell triggered for them. But go on a spiel about lyin' politicians and how "they" (the vaguer the better) are out to keep you down for their own power (again, vagueness is key here), and you can sell them anything. Ivermectin. Hydroxychorlquine. Bitcoin. Gold. Contributions to your political campaign that are actually just contributions to your personal expenses. When you're owning the libs, you can get away with anything, they let you do it.
There was a lot we didn't know when this pandemic started. There are still significant things we don't know, but at this point if you're peddling covid conspiracies you're either a mark or a scammer -- often both.
I mean, look at the "logic" employed. Last post by CHTP is apparently referencing Trump-era FDA commissioner Gottlieb's claim that the 6 foot distance was a compromise, and that the CDC originally wanted 10 feet From this CHTP tries to argue that distancing and other restriction at restaurants are unnecessary -- though the story he cites would suggest the opposite conclusion. If the CDC wanted 10 feet, but due to political pressure ended up reducing it to 6 feet, then the logical conclusion is that the actual safe distance is more than 6 feet, not zero!
You see this same "logic" again and again. Look at masks. I mean, just take a moment to think this through. Once we established that the virus was both airborne and very contagious, the only really safe mitigation was clearly to stay away from places where the virus could circulate. Keep your distance from people, especially in places, such as indoors, where airborne particles can concentrate.
In that situation, masks are either clearly not helpful at all, or a compromise mitigation. It doesn't matter what the CDC or anyone else says given that basic premise. Me -- I'm glad masks have ended up being effective enough that we were able to resume some semblance of normal life before the vaccines arrived. But If you're going to argue against masks, then the only logical position would be to argue for increased social distancing. If you believe mask mandates don't work, then you should be staying at home, away from people, and urging everyone else to do the same. But no, the mask skeptics argue the opposite -- they say masks don't work, and hence we should get right in each others faces and breathe in deeply. Maybe they were finding it challenging to pick people's pockets at a distance.
I guess the anti-mask stance makes sense if you believe the virus isn't real or not dangerous. Of course, that requires ignoring millions of deaths, and many more millions of seriously injured people. But again, if you're the sort of person who looks around at millions dying and says to yourself "you know what, I pay too much in taxes," well... I guess it's not surprising that mass death and destruction is something you can easily overlook. Gets in the way of blaming politicians for your bad dinner dates.
Honestly, this is where I'm at these days:
Oh My F..g God, Get the F...g Vaccine Already, You F..g F..s
Get over yourselves and your stupid political tantrums and con games and let's just be done with this already.
PVW said:
I'm going to go on a long rant here, because I'm feeling a bit cranky and CHTP's writing style annoys me. I mean, let's start with his user name. He creates it and uses it to post on two topics -- safety in a park, and covid. And he thinks that the most relevant aspect to these topics is how much he pays in taxes. Oh sure, he says things like he cares about small businesses and safety, but he chose his own user name and that's what he decided to lead with -- his taxes. So already his willingness or ability to step beyond his own personal concern and consider people around him is questionable -- I don't think anyone gasping their last breath in a covid ward is using it to curse NJ property tax rates.
Anyway, I don't live in Maplewood and don't have much info or insight into the lighting situation. I assume Memorial Park is the one by the train station -- it's a nice park and, apparently, the lighting situation has been resolved, which is good to hear. But this covid BS...
If I had no ethics and was solely looking to become as wealth as possible, I would switch careers and be absolutely raking it in selling conspiracy theories and miracle cures to conservative covid skeptics. All you have to do is say mean things about politicians and they immediately drop all caution and will happily buy anything you sell them, in the name of "owning the libs." It's positively Pavlovian-- though of course Pavlov worked with dogs which, presumably, are at least intelligent enough to recognize a bad smell despite whatever response the ringing bell triggered for them. But go on a spiel about lyin' politicians and how "they" (the vaguer the better) are out to keep you down for their own power (again, vagueness is key here), and you can sell them anything. Ivermectin. Hydroxychorlquine. Bitcoin. Gold. Contributions to your political campaign that are actually just contributions to your personal expenses. When you're owning the libs, you can get away with anything, they let you do it.
There was a lot we didn't know when this pandemic started. There are still significant things we don't know, but at this point if you're peddling covid conspiracies you're either a mark or a scammer -- often both.
I mean, look at the "logic" employed. Last post by CHTP is apparently referencing Trump-era FDA commissioner Gottlieb's claim that the 6 foot distance was a compromise, and that the CDC originally wanted 10 feet From this CHTP tries to argue that distancing and other restriction at restaurants are unnecessary -- though the story he cites would suggest the opposite conclusion. If the CDC wanted 10 feet, but due to political pressure ended up reducing it to 6 feet, then the logical conclusion is that the actual safe distance is more than 6 feet, not zero!
You see this same "logic" again and again. Look at masks. I mean, just take a moment to think this through. Once we established that the virus was both airborne and very contagious, the only really safe mitigation was clearly to stay away from places where the virus could circulate. Keep your distance from people, especially in places, such as indoors, where airborne particles can concentrate.
In that situation, masks are either clearly not helpful at all, or a compromise mitigation. It doesn't matter what the CDC or anyone else says given that basic premise. Me -- I'm glad masks have ended up being effective enough that we were able to resume some semblance of normal life before the vaccines arrived. But If you're going to argue against masks, then the only logical position would be to argue for increased social distancing. If you believe mask mandates don't work, then you should be staying at home, away from people, and urging everyone else to do the same. But no, the mask skeptics argue the opposite -- they say masks don't work, and hence we should get right in each others faces and breathe in deeply. Maybe they were finding it challenging to pick people's pockets at a distance.
I guess the anti-mask stance makes sense if you believe the virus isn't real or not dangerous. Of course, that requires ignoring millions of deaths, and many more millions of seriously injured people. But again, if you're the sort of person who looks around at millions dying and says to yourself "you know what, I pay too much in taxes," well... I guess it's not surprising that mass death and destruction is something you can easily overlook. Gets in the way of blaming politicians for your bad dinner dates.
Honestly, this is where I'm at these days:Oh My F..g God, Get the F...g Vaccine Already, You F..g F..s
Get over yourselves and your stupid political tantrums and con games and let's just be done with this already.
CHTP is a Maplewood Middle School student (probably left back a year or two) who may or may not work at one of the restaurants in town and just hates wearing a mask while diners don't have to wear them.
He invoked taxes in his username because he knows that it riles people up. He could also be annoyed that the restaurant is withholding payroll taxes.
He's happy because the lights are back on and he can smoke weed in the park without feeling so scared of the dark.
No need to take him so seriously.
PVW said:
Honestly, this is where I'm at these days:Oh My F..g God, Get the F...g Vaccine Already, You F..g F..s
Curse filter modified the link - use this instead (I'll edit the first one also): https://tinyurl.com/57haks2c
PVW said:
I'm going to go on a long rant here, because I'm feeling a bit cranky and CHTP's writing style annoys me. I mean, let's start with his user name. He creates it and uses it to post on two topics -- safety in a park, and covid. And he thinks that the most relevant aspect to these topics is how much he pays in taxes. Oh sure, he says things like he cares about small businesses and safety, but he chose his own user name and that's what he decided to lead with -- his taxes. So already his willingness or ability to step beyond his own personal concern and consider people around him is questionable -- I don't think anyone gasping their last breath in a covid ward is using it to curse NJ property tax rates.
Anyway, I don't live in Maplewood and don't have much info or insight into the lighting situation. I assume Memorial Park is the one by the train station -- it's a nice park and, apparently, the lighting situation has been resolved, which is good to hear. But this covid BS...
If I had no ethics and was solely looking to become as wealth as possible, I would switch careers and be absolutely raking it in selling conspiracy theories and miracle cures to conservative covid skeptics. All you have to do is say mean things about politicians and they immediately drop all caution and will happily buy anything you sell them, in the name of "owning the libs." It's positively Pavlovian-- though of course Pavlov worked with dogs which, presumably, are at least intelligent enough to recognize a bad smell despite whatever response the ringing bell triggered for them. But go on a spiel about lyin' politicians and how "they" (the vaguer the better) are out to keep you down for their own power (again, vagueness is key here), and you can sell them anything. Ivermectin. Hydroxychorlquine. Bitcoin. Gold. Contributions to your political campaign that are actually just contributions to your personal expenses. When you're owning the libs, you can get away with anything, they let you do it.
There was a lot we didn't know when this pandemic started. There are still significant things we don't know, but at this point if you're peddling covid conspiracies you're either a mark or a scammer -- often both.
I mean, look at the "logic" employed. Last post by CHTP is apparently referencing Trump-era FDA commissioner Gottlieb's claim that the 6 foot distance was a compromise, and that the CDC originally wanted 10 feet From this CHTP tries to argue that distancing and other restriction at restaurants are unnecessary -- though the story he cites would suggest the opposite conclusion. If the CDC wanted 10 feet, but due to political pressure ended up reducing it to 6 feet, then the logical conclusion is that the actual safe distance is more than 6 feet, not zero!
You see this same "logic" again and again. Look at masks. I mean, just take a moment to think this through. Once we established that the virus was both airborne and very contagious, the only really safe mitigation was clearly to stay away from places where the virus could circulate. Keep your distance from people, especially in places, such as indoors, where airborne particles can concentrate.
In that situation, masks are either clearly not helpful at all, or a compromise mitigation. It doesn't matter what the CDC or anyone else says given that basic premise. Me -- I'm glad masks have ended up being effective enough that we were able to resume some semblance of normal life before the vaccines arrived. But If you're going to argue against masks, then the only logical position would be to argue for increased social distancing. If you believe mask mandates don't work, then you should be staying at home, away from people, and urging everyone else to do the same. But no, the mask skeptics argue the opposite -- they say masks don't work, and hence we should get right in each others faces and breathe in deeply. Maybe they were finding it challenging to pick people's pockets at a distance.
I guess the anti-mask stance makes sense if you believe the virus isn't real or not dangerous. Of course, that requires ignoring millions of deaths, and many more millions of seriously injured people. But again, if you're the sort of person who looks around at millions dying and says to yourself "you know what, I pay too much in taxes," well... I guess it's not surprising that mass death and destruction is something you can easily overlook. Gets in the way of blaming politicians for your bad dinner dates.
Honestly, this is where I'm at these days:Oh My F..g God, Get the F...g Vaccine Already, You F..g F..s
Get over yourselves and your stupid political tantrums and con games and let's just be done with this already.
This is the third week in a row that I try to get a dinner reservation. This time a full 24 hours ahead for a birthday and all restaurants in Maplewood, Montclair, etc... all booked because of this COVID-19 political fiction that somehow dining out spreads COVID-19. Well if we are all vaccinated then what's all the fuss about? I'm vaccinated, have been for some time now, but there has been such a full court press about this nonsense that it's literally impossible to score a good reservation. Had to make my latest reservation for a dinner at 9:30pm for a birthday. Unbelievable! Who dines at 9:30pm? But hey, you have to celebrate a loved one's birthday right? We are all vaccinated, so why are we being kept from celebrating a birthday at a nice restaurant, because we have to eat where and how some politician feels we should eat and celebrate birthdays? What country are we in again? And to Mr. F bomb above, you have been duly advised that this party and his family is vaccinated. For a guy who complains so much about how people write, you should watch your language. You must be related to a politician otherwise you would have been kicked off Maplewood online by now.
ConcernedHighTaxPayer said:
This is the third week in a row that I try to get a dinner reservation. This time a full 24 hours ahead for a birthday and all restaurants in Maplewood, Montclair, etc... all booked because of this COVID-19 political fiction that somehow dining out spreads COVID-19. Well if we are all vaccinated then what's all the fuss about? I'm vaccinated, have been for some time now, but there has been such a full court press about this nonsense that it's literally impossible to score a good reservation. Had to make my latest reservation for a dinner at 9:30pm for a birthday. Unbelievable! Who dines at 9:30pm? But hey, you have to celebrate a loved one's birthday right? We are all vaccinated, so why are we being kept from celebrating a birthday at a nice restaurant, because we have to eat where and how some politician feels we should eat and celebrate birthdays? What country are we in again? And to Mr. F bomb above, you have been duly advised that this party and his family is vaccinated. For a guy who complains so much about how people write, you should watch your language. You must be related to a politician otherwise you would have been kicked off Maplewood online by now.
Was the birthday a surprise that you couldn't have made the reservation more than 24 hours in advance? If you were looking at, say, Lorena's, one usually needed to book nearly a month in advance pre-pandemic. I think that lots of places are just a bit busier because people hadn't eaten out for a while and want to do so now.
Also, you shouldn't get upset about things. It's really not good for you.
Mr Upset tax payer,
You must call a couple of days before for a reservation, it has nothing to do with vaccines. I was up in Montclair last weekend for dinner and had to reserve 3 days in advance.
How do you think this virus is being spread? Curious minds want to know.
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