yeah, attacking small businesses is a sure way to political success.
**** clown, small fry politicians need a way to draw attention to themselves in any way they can, and that is what we have in this Township. They mimic all their policy decisions from New York City for years, they do not have any original ideas. When they attempt to have an original idea, it is inevitably a mess. So, the last resort is to create some fake chaos to have a photo op moment and some discussion topics. Controversy creates fame and that's all these types are looking for in search of higher political positions in State government.
You absurdly cast doubt on airborn spread, claim that no cases of covid have been traced to indoor dining, and then complain that vaccine checking isn't strict enough. You ask why business owners can't manage their own covid mitigation strategy, then complain that the strategy differs from venue to venue. You ask why businesses are being forced to close, but complain about restaurants being so busy you can't get a reservation. If I had to describe your posts, noting that some posters "need a way to draw attention to themselves in any way" and that "controversy creates fame and that's all these types are looking for" would fit the bill nicely.
In March of 2020 when local governments decided they were going to closed down all local eateries, restaurants, bars and food establishments I asked the controversial question, "Is this really necessary? Are Townships like Maplewood and South Orange really going to make small business in their towns close despite very little evidence showing spread of COVID-19 while dining out? Several arguments later and several iterations of closing down, partially opening, and precaution taking are we still anywhere closer to the truth? To my communities I submit to you that I am not aware of a single case of COVID-19 death or hospitalization traced back to a restaurant, bar or eatery. Not even a food truck. Okay, those are outside, but still not one case of death or hospitalization from ingesting COVID-19 when someone sneezes on your pizza, or licking a dirty fork in a restaurant, or even while enjoying a beer and open conversation sans N95 masks to protect you. In fact, in recent days, it has become very confusing because when you go to a restaurant only the servers seem to have face masks. The general public is not allowed into the establishment without a face mask, but once they sit at the dining table and grab a fork (POOF!) suddenly we are all COVID-19 free and everyone is safe again. Online people have commented such things as "why don't we switch school desks for dining tables and then children would not have to wear masks to school?" No one really checks on your vaccination status when you go out to eat, and even if they did, there is no real ID version or other way of confirming the vaccine card you took a photo of on your phone is even real. So what are we doing here people? Why are we punishing good honest hardworking small businesses with unconfirmed evidence of spread of COVID-19 in restaurants, bars and eateries? Why does the restaurant CODA have plastic film up between tables inside their restaurant when no one is asked or made to wear masks inside? Why are South Orange restaurants only doing take out? Why are politicians making small business suffer with what appears to be a political fiction instead of allowing business owners manage the COVID concerns on their own in their own premises. Why have we entrusted the success of several small businesses to the whim of non-business minded cream puff politicians? If we are to follow the science, where is the science that links dining out to death or hospitalization for COVID-19? I spoke to several physicians, some of which work in nursing homes and they do not even believe COVID-19 is spread by airborne droplets. The evidence is very thin even in nursing home settings. One recent example was of a patient who contracted COVID-19 in a nursing home. The nursing home immediately isolated all patients and accommodated them with their own room. The patient who had COVID-19 was under video surveillance and did not come into contact with the rest of the patients who in a matter of a week to ten days all became infected with COVID-19. So, back to the question "Dining out, does it spread COVID-19 or not?" Did not dining out stop a variant from threatening the new flu season? Did not dining out stop COVID-19 in other states or countries? Are there any real cases traced to dining out establishments? If so, which are worse than others? And how about that school analogy? Why is it that dining out does not require you to wear a mask once you pick up that fork or order from the menu, but picking up a pencil or Ipad in your local elementary school requires everyone to wear masks and take additional precautions?
In composition, there is a function called the paragraph. It makes writing easier to read and follow.
**** Controversy creates fame and that's all these types are looking for in search of higher political positions in State government.
It sure does. As Exhibit A, I offer one Donald J. Trump.
There is a host of scientists trying to understand Covid-19. As you might expect, they are constantly learning new things, discarding yesterday's accepted wisdom and working to get it right. In an environment like this, they are easy game for deniers and hucksters and doubters.
Regarding the spread of Covid, we know that it spreads by airborne transmission. We know that a densely crowded bar with loud patrons will see more spread that a spaced out restaurant with patrons talking more quietly among themselves. The struggle is determining the level of crowding/ventilation where the probability of transmission becomes tolerable. So, if different towns have different policies, it is partly becuase nobody really knows for sure. And then you inject politics into the mix.
**** clown, small fry politicians need a way to draw attention to themselves in any way they can, and that is what we have in this Township. They mimic all their policy decisions from New York City for years, they do not have any original ideas. When they attempt to have an original idea, it is inevitably a mess. So, the last resort is to create some fake chaos to have a photo op moment and some discussion topics. Controversy creates fame and that's all these types are looking for in search of higher political positions in State government.
Well, at least now we know what this thread is really about.
As long as the purpose of this thread is to attack local politicians, how did you feel about the replacement a few years ago of the exemplar of mid-century modern brutalist architecture in Maplewood Village?
**** clown, small fry politicians need a way to draw attention to themselves in any way they can, and that is what we have in this Township. They mimic all their policy decisions from New York City for years, they do not have any original ideas. When they attempt to have an original idea, it is inevitably a mess. So, the last resort is to create some fake chaos to have a photo op moment and some discussion topics. Controversy creates fame and that's all these types are looking for in search of higher political positions in State government.
Well, at least now we know what this thread is really about.
As long as the purpose of this thread is to attack local politicians, how did you feel about the replacement a few years ago of the exemplar of mid-century modern brutalist architecture in Maplewood Village?
There is still time to mount a write-in campaign for Town Committee in November.
If I had to describe your posts, noting that some posters "need a way to draw attention to themselves in any way" and that "controversy creates fame and that's all these types are looking for" would fit the bill nicely.
It’s dizzying, the pace at which both our local politicians and MOL posters scramble to ascend to higher office and/or Substack.
As long as the purpose of this thread is to attack local politicians, how did you feel about the replacement a few years ago of the exemplar of mid-century modern brutalist architecture in Maplewood Village?
yeah, attacking small businesses is a sure way to political success.
**** clown, small fry politicians need a way to draw attention to themselves in any way they can, and that is what we have in this Township. They mimic all their policy decisions from New York City for years, they do not have any original ideas. When they attempt to have an original idea, it is inevitably a mess. So, the last resort is to create some fake chaos to have a photo op moment and some discussion topics. Controversy creates fame and that's all these types are looking for in search of higher political positions in State government.
My read-between-the-smooshed-together-lines: A dinner date didn't end as well as hoped, and restaurant COVID rules and a lack of lights in Memorial park are to blame.
My read-between-the-smooshed-together-lines: A dinner date didn't end as well as hoped, and restaurant COVID rules and a lack of lights in Memorial park are to blame.
My guess is she picked up the creepy vibes after she had the appetizers…the suggested “walk through the dark park” was the final straw…
For what it's worth and FYI, to my knowledge, and I have lots in this area, no member of the Maplewood Township Committee has ever run for higher office.
For what it's worth and FYI, to my knowledge, and I have lots in this area, no member of the Maplewood Township Committee has ever run for higher office.
The absence of evidence of a conspiracy does not mean the absence of a conspiracy. In fact, in many cases, the absence of evidence of a conspiracy is proof that the conspiracy is deeper than first thought.
once there were links to research posted, isn't the original question answered?
Scientific fact.
No. OP said he wasn't aware of any cases, not that there weren't any cases. Given that there's been plenty of information on how covid spreads long before this thread, there's no particular reason to believe the OP is any less committed to ignorance now than before.
You absurdly cast doubt on airborn spread, claim that no cases of covid have been traced to indoor dining, and then complain that vaccine checking isn't strict enough. You ask why business owners can't manage their own covid mitigation strategy, then complain that the strategy differs from venue to venue. You ask why businesses are being forced to close, but complain about restaurants being so busy you can't get a reservation. If I had to describe your posts, noting that some posters "need a way to draw attention to themselves in any way" and that "controversy creates fame and that's all these types are looking for" would fit the bill nicely.
There is still no evidence of a link between (listen carefully now) between dining out and spread of Coronavirus. I find it hard to believe that people so easily accept ruining small business in their community that took hard work, sweat and tears to accomplish. Maybe some politician-types should try running a business one of these days and see how it feels to suddenly demand that business only take in from 0%-25% of the revenue on pure fantasy science. After all, they do not lose anything when they impose mimickery policy on the business community. This is not picking on politicians local or otherwise, it's just a way to highlight how much business in our community has been hurt and an argument to return ghat critical, economy boosting business to full speed.
There is still no evidence of a link between (listen carefully now) between dining out and spread of Coronavirus. I find it hard to believe that people so easily accept ruining small business in their community that took hard work, sweat and tears to accomplish. Maybe some politician-types should try running a business one of these days and see how it feels to suddenly demand that business only take in from 0%-25% of the revenue on pure fantasy science. After all, they do not lose anything when they impose mimickery policy on the business community. This is not picking on politicians local or otherwise, it's just a way to highlight how much business in our community has been hurt and an argument to return ghat critical, economy boosting business to full speed.
If you want to dine inside, you can do it -- get vaccinated and go and enjoy. If you're trying to argue that being vaccinated is not needed to spend time in close proximity to people indoors, then this isn't a real conversation as you're arguing against what at this point is only controversial to those with a political motivate for ignoring straightforward evidence. I mean, how exactly do you think covid spreads?
What’s puzzling me is how exactly one would go about tying a Covid case directly to a restaurant visit, apart from all other interactions in a person’s daily life.
What’s puzzling me is how exactly one would go about tying a Covid case directly to a restaurant visit, apart from all other interactions in a person’s daily life.
While he probably does understand the difference between causation and correlation and the impossibility of proving causation, he seems to be rejecting evidence of correlation out of hand because it doesn't support his hypothesis.
Also, I don't think it's Terp. Terp, while odious in his own way, is not stupid and, if I recall correctly, doesn't ignore hard science (political science, absolutely).
What’s puzzling me is how exactly one would go about tying a Covid case directly to a restaurant visit, apart from all other interactions in a person’s daily life.
it's not likely possible to tie it directly, but contract tracing can give strong evidence of a location where people contracted the virus. That's apparently the source of some of the info cited by the NYT.
While he probably does understand the difference between causation and correlation and the impossibility of proving causation, he seems to be rejecting evidence of correlation out of hand because it doesn't support his hypothesis.
So you think he's just chalking it up to coincidence? But then, what to make of this?
it's not likely possible to tie it directly, but contract tracing can give strong evidence of a location where people contracted the virus. That's apparently the source of some of the info cited by the NYT.
Right. But it’s apparently not good enough for CHTP, so I’m just trying to figure out what science can do to satisfy him or her.
Maybe some politician-types should try running a business one of these days and see how it feels to suddenly demand that business only take in from 0%-25% of the revenue on pure fantasy science.
perhaps you've been out of the country for some time, or maybe you've been in a coma, or even fell asleep for a long Van Winklish nap, but you're arguing against restrictions that ended some time ago.
I took the bait earlier but his last post is well into "ignore the troll" territory.