deflate gate
Jan 22, 2015 at 8:12am Edited
What did you all think about Brady's press conference?
Everything's going to be fine, this isn't ISIS, no one's dying..
https://vine.co/v/OIpB5rwMd16/embed
Are you a cheater? "No, I don't believe so."
When he answered the "moment of truth" question, I noticed quite a few tells.
Everything's going to be fine, this isn't ISIS, no one's dying..
https://vine.co/v/OIpB5rwMd16/embed
Are you a cheater? "No, I don't believe so."
When he answered the "moment of truth" question, I noticed quite a few tells.
BaseballMom said:
What did you all think about Brady's press conference?
Everything's going to be fine, this isn't ISIS, no one's dying..
https://vine.co/v/OIpB5rwMd16/embed
Are you a cheater? "No, I don't believe so."
When he answered the "moment of truth" question, I noticed quite a few tells.
I think more important than our reactions is the reaction he got from the ez-NFL playing espn analysts. They all said he was flat out lying. They said there's no way a qb wouldn't notice a 2 psi change in a football, and there's no way anyone would make that change to a football without the consent of the qb.
Jan 23, 2015 at 1:45am Edited
It's jealousy, plain and simple.
Bellichick is an obnoxious guy, easy to hate, and Brady the golden boy QB with the wins and the supermodel wife. But he is probably the greatest coach in NFL history and an argument can be made that Brady is the greatest QB of all time. People have to knock them down because they're always on top. All the analysts and the NFL players know how great they are and deflated balls and taping defensive signals 8 years ago are just excuses which enable them to feel good and say that's why the Patriots beat us and win all the time.
If Bellichick were fired by Robert Kraft after the Super Bowl, there would be 31 teams vying for his services the next day. If Brady were released after the Super Bowl, there would be 20-25 teams vying for his services. Because they all know, to a man, how great they are and that they didn't get to where they are because of deflated footballs or any other cheating.
The Patriots, Bellichick and Brady win consistently. It can't be that he's a great coach and Brady a great QB. "That's why we lost to them 45-7, the balls were deflated." That's why they get to Super Bowls and AFC championship games, because they tape defensive signals. Something every team used to do and why the NFL sent a letter to all teams telling them to quit the practice. Granted, the Patriots continued despite the warning and that is why they received their punishment.
What did they do after that? Went 18-0 and lost the Super Bowl when Asante Samuel dropped an easy interception on the final drive and David Tyree made the most miraculous catch in NFL history.
GO Pats!
Bellichick is an obnoxious guy, easy to hate, and Brady the golden boy QB with the wins and the supermodel wife. But he is probably the greatest coach in NFL history and an argument can be made that Brady is the greatest QB of all time. People have to knock them down because they're always on top. All the analysts and the NFL players know how great they are and deflated balls and taping defensive signals 8 years ago are just excuses which enable them to feel good and say that's why the Patriots beat us and win all the time.
If Bellichick were fired by Robert Kraft after the Super Bowl, there would be 31 teams vying for his services the next day. If Brady were released after the Super Bowl, there would be 20-25 teams vying for his services. Because they all know, to a man, how great they are and that they didn't get to where they are because of deflated footballs or any other cheating.
The Patriots, Bellichick and Brady win consistently. It can't be that he's a great coach and Brady a great QB. "That's why we lost to them 45-7, the balls were deflated." That's why they get to Super Bowls and AFC championship games, because they tape defensive signals. Something every team used to do and why the NFL sent a letter to all teams telling them to quit the practice. Granted, the Patriots continued despite the warning and that is why they received their punishment.
What did they do after that? Went 18-0 and lost the Super Bowl when Asante Samuel dropped an easy interception on the final drive and David Tyree made the most miraculous catch in NFL history.
GO Pats!
Nobody is saying that the Patriots are not a good team. Nobody is suggesting that the balls made any difference in the game against Indianapolis. People don't hate the Deflates because of their record.
The game has rules. The rules should be followed. Maybe Brady should be invited to miss a game or two next season. That's the kind of thing they do to baseball pitchers for ball-tampering.
The game has rules. The rules should be followed. Maybe Brady should be invited to miss a game or two next season. That's the kind of thing they do to baseball pitchers for ball-tampering.
If the supposed integrity of the game is at issue, why isn't the press discussing all the Seahawks players who have been prescribed Adderol (sp. ?) for their "ADHD"?
The media outrage is a little silly, with the multiple lost draft picks and half season suspensions. They'll pay some money, they might lost a first round (31 or 32 overall) pick. That's about it. Ol' Krafty has positioned himself as one of the most influential owners in the league.
I don't know what, if any, dvantage deflating a ball has on an offense. But Brady clearly thought it was a big enough advantage that it was worth risking his entire brand on.
bettyd said:
If the supposed integrity of the game is at issue, why isn't the press discussing all the Seahawks players who have been prescribed Adderol (sp. ?) for their "ADHD"?
Adderol makes you sleep for the first 55 minutes of a game?
Brady threw better and the receivers caught the ball better in the second half, when the underinflated balls were removed.
bettyd said:
Brady threw better and the receivers caught the ball better in the second half, when the underinflated balls were removed.
Right, which is among the reasons why not even the most delusional person is suggesting that the balls affected the outcome of the game.
Imagine how things might be if the game was decided by a single amazing pass and catch.
If the Colts had been tampering with balls, the Pats would have caught them on video.
By Jerry Izenberg of Star Ledger:
The Pats were the better team, not because some footballs might not have been inflated properly. They could have played with soap for balls and beat us."
— Dwayne Allen, Colts’ tight end on Deflate-Gate
On Dec. 8, 1940, the Chicago Bears beat the Washington Redskin by an incredible 73-0 score to win the NFL title. The Bears scored on the second play of the game on a 63-yard touchdown run by Bill Osmanski.
The Redskins, led by tailback Sammy Baugh marched right back down the field. Then Baugh threw a pass to Wayne Milner in the end zone.
Milner dropped the ball.
Afterward a reporter asked Baugh if the score would have been different if Milner held the ball.
"Yeah," a weary Baugh said after first staring long and hard at the questioner. "It would have been 73-7."
So much for Deflategate as a factor last Sunday.
When one team is that much better than the other, the weight of a football is as relevant as the size of the Gatorade barrel. The Pats nosed out the Colts by a mere 38 points. They could have tied 10-pound rocks to the footballs Tom Brady was throwing and had running back LeGarrette Blount carry the ball while wearing matching catcher’s mitts and the result would have been the same.
But a rule is a rule is a rule.
And as my wife constantly reminds me:
"The scale doesn’t lie."
The rule is fairly simple. Each team is required to give the referee 12 primary balls for testing 2 hours, 15 minutes before the game. So far it’s easy. But now what follows is worth a look, because at this stage nobody is sure what the hell happened.
The rule also says:
"The referee shall be the sole judge as to whether all balls offered for play comply with the (NFL) regulations."
Question No. 1 for the NFL: Were they properly weighed, or was a mistake made right then and there? The balls probably were examined because the referee, Walt Anderson, has a little experience. He has worked as an NFL official for 253 games since 1999.
Cleary he is not a guy like Marvin, the shady butcher, who puts his thumb on the scale when selling chopped meat to your near-sighted grandmother.
If they were properly weighed, then how did they wind up on a diet? It would seem they would have to be doctored on the sidelines, because of the time element involved, but I kind of doubt that Bill Belichick wore that hoodie to disguise a covert action.
So if there was tampering, who is culpable?
Hall of Fame coach John Madden, who surely should know a doctored football when he sees one, says if there is finger-pointing to be done (and he’s not sure there is), then Brady might be the fellow, because the quarterback would know what weight ball he would prefer to throw. In that case, a ball boy or equipment guy would have to be the agent to have done the deed between the weigh-in and the kickoff.
On Thursday, Patriots coach Bill Belichick said basically the same thing: Ask Tom. (Brady will speak to the media at 4 p.m., we're told.)
Madden is not, however, suggesting it was done in a grassy knoll hard by the stadium.
Brad Johnson, former quarterback of the Tampa Bay Bucs, said he had paid a guy $7,500 to alter footballs before Super Bowl XXXVII. A number of other quarterbacks from time to time confessed to nothing but did say they had specific preferences for the footballs they would like to be throwing.
So you have all of the above. You have theories about the impact of the weather (wet and highly adverse on Sunday) on the weight of the balls. You have the history of `"Spygate," which cost Belichick and the Pats enough money to buy every team in the NFL both game-day and weeklong practice footballs into the next millennium and beyond.
The residue of that stupid peccadillo has lingered to the point where a sizable number of pro football fans see Belichick’s legacy — even after his sure-fire future induction into the Pro Football Hall of Fame — as that of a hooded dispenser of evil, a sideline-stalking Darth Vader.
But there is one thing you don’t have at this writing and possibly neither does anyone else — unless they are not talking — the footballs used last Sunday by the Indianapolis Colts. Do not underestimate their value here.
What if they should prove to be as malnourished and as underweight as their New England cousins? That would open up the door to legitimate speculation that perhaps the referee erred during his weigh-in, or the weather, in deed, had an effect on the footballs of both sides or perhaps somebody cornered the market on all of America’s skinny footballs.
I have absolutely no idea about what really happened. I am not sure the league does either, but in this time frame of a few shaky decisions by the commissioner, a lot of mistrust by the fans and some unvoiced concerns by some of the owners, you can take it to the bank that somebody has got to pay.
I don’t know whether the league will sanction Belichick or Brady or one of the ball boys — whom they will probably turn upside down to make sure he does not have a pressure valve hidden in his shoe.
Somebody has to pay.
Now if we only could figure out the crime.
The Pats were the better team, not because some footballs might not have been inflated properly. They could have played with soap for balls and beat us."
— Dwayne Allen, Colts’ tight end on Deflate-Gate
On Dec. 8, 1940, the Chicago Bears beat the Washington Redskin by an incredible 73-0 score to win the NFL title. The Bears scored on the second play of the game on a 63-yard touchdown run by Bill Osmanski.
The Redskins, led by tailback Sammy Baugh marched right back down the field. Then Baugh threw a pass to Wayne Milner in the end zone.
Milner dropped the ball.
Afterward a reporter asked Baugh if the score would have been different if Milner held the ball.
"Yeah," a weary Baugh said after first staring long and hard at the questioner. "It would have been 73-7."
So much for Deflategate as a factor last Sunday.
When one team is that much better than the other, the weight of a football is as relevant as the size of the Gatorade barrel. The Pats nosed out the Colts by a mere 38 points. They could have tied 10-pound rocks to the footballs Tom Brady was throwing and had running back LeGarrette Blount carry the ball while wearing matching catcher’s mitts and the result would have been the same.
But a rule is a rule is a rule.
And as my wife constantly reminds me:
"The scale doesn’t lie."
The rule is fairly simple. Each team is required to give the referee 12 primary balls for testing 2 hours, 15 minutes before the game. So far it’s easy. But now what follows is worth a look, because at this stage nobody is sure what the hell happened.
The rule also says:
"The referee shall be the sole judge as to whether all balls offered for play comply with the (NFL) regulations."
Question No. 1 for the NFL: Were they properly weighed, or was a mistake made right then and there? The balls probably were examined because the referee, Walt Anderson, has a little experience. He has worked as an NFL official for 253 games since 1999.
Cleary he is not a guy like Marvin, the shady butcher, who puts his thumb on the scale when selling chopped meat to your near-sighted grandmother.
If they were properly weighed, then how did they wind up on a diet? It would seem they would have to be doctored on the sidelines, because of the time element involved, but I kind of doubt that Bill Belichick wore that hoodie to disguise a covert action.
So if there was tampering, who is culpable?
Hall of Fame coach John Madden, who surely should know a doctored football when he sees one, says if there is finger-pointing to be done (and he’s not sure there is), then Brady might be the fellow, because the quarterback would know what weight ball he would prefer to throw. In that case, a ball boy or equipment guy would have to be the agent to have done the deed between the weigh-in and the kickoff.
On Thursday, Patriots coach Bill Belichick said basically the same thing: Ask Tom. (Brady will speak to the media at 4 p.m., we're told.)
Madden is not, however, suggesting it was done in a grassy knoll hard by the stadium.
Brad Johnson, former quarterback of the Tampa Bay Bucs, said he had paid a guy $7,500 to alter footballs before Super Bowl XXXVII. A number of other quarterbacks from time to time confessed to nothing but did say they had specific preferences for the footballs they would like to be throwing.
So you have all of the above. You have theories about the impact of the weather (wet and highly adverse on Sunday) on the weight of the balls. You have the history of `"Spygate," which cost Belichick and the Pats enough money to buy every team in the NFL both game-day and weeklong practice footballs into the next millennium and beyond.
The residue of that stupid peccadillo has lingered to the point where a sizable number of pro football fans see Belichick’s legacy — even after his sure-fire future induction into the Pro Football Hall of Fame — as that of a hooded dispenser of evil, a sideline-stalking Darth Vader.
But there is one thing you don’t have at this writing and possibly neither does anyone else — unless they are not talking — the footballs used last Sunday by the Indianapolis Colts. Do not underestimate their value here.
What if they should prove to be as malnourished and as underweight as their New England cousins? That would open up the door to legitimate speculation that perhaps the referee erred during his weigh-in, or the weather, in deed, had an effect on the footballs of both sides or perhaps somebody cornered the market on all of America’s skinny footballs.
I have absolutely no idea about what really happened. I am not sure the league does either, but in this time frame of a few shaky decisions by the commissioner, a lot of mistrust by the fans and some unvoiced concerns by some of the owners, you can take it to the bank that somebody has got to pay.
I don’t know whether the league will sanction Belichick or Brady or one of the ball boys — whom they will probably turn upside down to make sure he does not have a pressure valve hidden in his shoe.
Somebody has to pay.
Now if we only could figure out the crime.
I've always said that I wish sports reporters would all be reassigned to government and politics. The outrage over athletes cheating or lying is often so over the top. I'd love to see similar outrage over important stuff that people lie about. If the "deflategate" writers had been covering the White House in 2002, maybe somebody would have sussed out all the lies about Iraq. Could have saved an enormous amount of misery.
but no, we get the most tenacious reporting when it comes to our games.
but no, we get the most tenacious reporting when it comes to our games.
I'm still waiting for meme world to incorporate Die Fledermaus.
ml1 said:
I've always said that I wish sports reporters would all be reassigned to government and politics. The outrage over athletes cheating or lying is often so over the top. I'd love to see similar outrage over important stuff that people lie about. If the "deflategate" writers had been covering the White House in 2002, maybe somebody would have sussed out all the lies about Iraq. Could have saved an enormous amount of misery.
but no, we get the most tenacious reporting when it comes to our games.
Yep. I would guess that Jerry Izenberg would actually agree with you too.
Jan 23, 2015 at 3:33am Edited
tjohn said:
Nobody is saying that the Patriots are not a good team. Nobody is suggesting that the balls made any difference in the game against Indianapolis. People don't hate the Deflates because of their record.
The game has rules. The rules should be followed. Maybe Brady should be invited to miss a game or two next season. That's the kind of thing they do to baseball pitchers for ball-tampering.
Rules get broken in every single game. That's why there are penalties. The fact that the fine for this "offense". for a first time offender, is $25,000 speaks volumes ...
This all seems like a pretty great distraction from the real issues the NFL should be taking a stand on. We aren't talking about concussions or battered wives and kids now.
#shrinkrage
The "outrage" America is feeling about this crime against humanity.
The "outrage" America is feeling about this crime against humanity.
Train_of_Thought said:
I'm still waiting for meme world to incorporate Die Fledermaus.
Which also started with a ball in freezing temperatures, right?
To the point of the trivial nature of the rule and/or the breaking of it, I would simply note that only one week ago, the NFL expressly warned Marshawn Lynch that he would be barred from playing in the NFC Championship Game if he wore his gold shoes. Violate the league's all-important uniform "shoe rule," and the league appeared to have no problem sitting the best, most influential player on the high profile, defending Super Bowl champions, in the then biggest game of the year. Not sure exactly what to make of that or how it may or may not relate to THIS week's goings-on, especially since I could not possibly care less about this whole saga. Just pointing it out.
DaveSchmidt said:
Train_of_Thought said:
I'm still waiting for meme world to incorporate Die Fledermaus.
Which also started with a ball in freezing temperatures, right?
I'll take your word. I'm really quite uncultured.
And when Aaron Rodgers publicly stated he tries to sneak overinflated footballs into every game, it was proclaimed adorable.Train_of_Thought said:
To the point of the trivial nature of the rule and/or the breaking of it, I would simply note that only one week ago, the NFL expressly warned Marshawn Lynch that he would be barred from playing in the NFC Championship Game if he wore his gold shoes. Violate the league's all-important uniform "shoe rule," and the league appeared to have no problem sitting the best, most influential player on the high profile, defending Super Bowl champions, in the then biggest game of the year. Not sure exactly what to make of that or how it may or may not relate to THIS week's goings-on, especially since I could not possibly care less about this whole saga. Just pointing it out.
All those analysts, pundits, ex-QB's, opponents, etc. are just jealous of Tom Brady's balls.
Actually, I think a foreign substance on the ball is the same in either case. Every team "doctors" the balls to suit their QB's- rubbing the slickness down is permissible to a degree (unspecified), beating them up, throwing them in clothes dryers and other forms of distressing the surface are all done without specific permissions. This violation is specific- the inflation must be 12.5 to 13.5 PSI.
It's the Patriots and it's Super Bowl time, so again I think this is blown way out of proportion. Findings should be sooner rather than later and punishments should be levied to take effect post Super Bowl. But the one outcome I would now make happen is that the pre-game preparation of all game balls is taken away from the teams completely. Tom Brady and Peyton Manning successfully lobbied to allow teams to handle game balls; now Brady is attached to the event that takes that privilege away.
It's the Patriots and it's Super Bowl time, so again I think this is blown way out of proportion. Findings should be sooner rather than later and punishments should be levied to take effect post Super Bowl. But the one outcome I would now make happen is that the pre-game preparation of all game balls is taken away from the teams completely. Tom Brady and Peyton Manning successfully lobbied to allow teams to handle game balls; now Brady is attached to the event that takes that privilege away.
Who Knows? Maybe it was an underinflated ball that David Tyree pressed against his helmet for that amazing catch. If so, perhaps Eli got a hold of a Patriot ball by mistake. 
Until the "Brady/Manning" change was made, the home team controlled all of the balls ... Talk about home cooking.
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I love that it's yet another asterisk next to Belicheck's name. He likes to have an edge, whether it is legal or not. Smug ass