Bill Browder and the Magnitsky Act. Humanitarian Act or Big Scam?
OK, I've been hunting around and this article, which is also good, seems to have a link for the film that works (on the bottom---the links in the article don't work). Watch as soon as you can. It will probably get taken down.
The most dangerous man in the world? How Bill Browder's greed helped spark a new Cold War
Thank goodness the oligarchs in Russia have nan defending them. Nan, do you get a percentage of their unfrozen assets or are you just being a useful idiot?
dave said:
Thank goodness the oligarchs in Russia have nan defending them. Nan, do you get a percentage of their unfrozen assets or are you just being a useful idiot?
Watch the movie and then we will talk.
More on Browder from a an investigative journalist who specializes in financial corruption and has been trailing him for 20 years.
I’ve Been Browder’s Number One Journalist Critic for Two Decades. Here’s What President Trump Should Know About Handling Him
Lucy Komisar is an investigative journalist who focuses on financial and corporate corruption, particularly the use of offshore bank and corporate secrecy havens. She began investigating William Browder nearly 20 years ago when she learned of his use of an offshore company in the Isle of Man to siphon off profits from the Russian company Avisma, cheating minority investors of dividends and the Russian Treasury of taxes.
Excerpt: "As he said with some irony about President Putin, Mr. Browder is a bald-faced liar. Whatever he tells you, it’s not true."
". . .Browder values money far more than human life. During the year Mr. Magitsky was in pre-trial detention, he could have been released at any time had Browder only paid his back taxes, then about $40 million. Mr. Magnitsky told Oleg Lurie, a journalist who was in prison at the time under a fraudulent charge that was later dismissed, that he thought his employers would get him out, but they had betrayed him. Lurie gave a sworn deposition to U.S. Federal Court.
Mr. Browder wants to derail your attempts at a better relationship with Russia, because that could lead to the State Department acknowledging the truth about his tax evasion and illicit stock buys and cooperating with Russia, as it does with other countries, in bringing him to justice."
nan said:
dave said:Watch the movie and then we will talk.
Thank goodness the oligarchs in Russia have nan defending them. Nan, do you get a percentage of their unfrozen assets or are you just being a useful idiot?
It was taken down for copyright reasons. And I'm certainly not paying to watch propaganda from Russia.
Nan,
I want to thank you for starting this thread. There is nothing here of value of course EXCEPT for Drummerboy's mention of Comet TV. Who knew? I mean, damn that channel looks good. They have a great mix of movies and The Outer Limits.
But best of all, they have many of the Gerry Anderson Supermarionation shows including Supercar, Fireball XL5 and Captain Scarlett.
But please do carry on with the whole Bill Browder meshugas.
drummerboy said:
Comet TV.
“There is nothing wrong with your television set. Do not attempt to adjust the picture. We are controlling transmission. We will control the horizontal. We will control the vertical. We can change the focus to a soft blur or sharpen it to crystal clarity. For the next hour, sit quietly and we will control all that you see and hear."
— Sinclair Broadcast Group
nan said:
LOST said:
Really? Is there some evidence of that?
I guess you forgot how Israeli snipers shoot journalists (and Palestinians) point blank for target practice. That's not the US, but a very close ali and we seem to be fine with it.
Are Palestinian journalists being targeted by Israeli snipers?
With two journalists dead and at least 12 others injured, international criticism of Israeli tactics grows.
https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/insidestory/2018/04/palestinian-journalists-targeted-israeli-snipers-180428181902831.html
You made a definitive statement. But your link shows an allegation and discussion.
nan said:
More on Browder from a an investigative journalist who specializes in financial corruption and has been trailing him for 20 years.
I’ve Been Browder’s Number One Journalist Critic for Two Decades. Here’s What President Trump Should Know About Handling Him
https://www.thekomisarscoop.com/2018/07/ive-been-browders-number-one-journalist-critic-for-two-decades-heres-what-president-trump-should-know-about-handling-him/
Lucy Komisar is an investigative journalist who focuses on financial and corporate corruption, particularly the use of offshore bank and corporate secrecy havens.
You can't be serious.
dave said:
nan said:It was taken down for copyright reasons. And I'm certainly not paying to watch propaganda from Russia.
dave said:Watch the movie and then we will talk.
Thank goodness the oligarchs in Russia have nan defending them. Nan, do you get a percentage of their unfrozen assets or are you just being a useful idiot?
The link I put up yesterday seems to have disapeared. If you saw it on a pay site, please let me know the link because I can't find it anywhere for anything. Anyway, the filmaker of this film is an anti-Putin guy. He started making this movie as a tribute to Browder and slowly realized that it was a scam and that the people involved were crooks. Here is an interview with the filmaker.
https://www.pscp.tv/stranahan/1rmGPNpzAvYxN?t=9
DaveSchmidt said:
drummerboy said:“There is nothing wrong with your television set. Do not attempt to adjust the picture. We are controlling transmission. We will control the horizontal. We will control the vertical. We can change the focus to a soft blur or sharpen it to crystal clarity. For the next hour, sit quietly and we will control all that you see and hear."
Comet TV.
— Sinclair Broadcast Group
Sinclair Broadcast Group is perfect for many on this thread who think a 1990's vulture capitalist in Russia, who gave up his American citizenship to avoid paying taxes, is a good of heart, selfless humanitarian. It's as true as believing in the tooth fairy except this guy helped reignite the Cold War between two nuclear powers.
eliz said:
What is happening here???
(love these retro emojis)
It'a thread about Bill Browder and the Magnitsky Act, in case you did not read the title. Care to weigh in on the topic?
nan said:
dave said:The link I put up yesterday seems to have disapeared. If you saw it on a pay site, please let me know the link because I can't find it anywhere for anything. Anyway, the filmaker of this film is an anti-Putin guy. He started making this movie as a tribute to Browder and slowly realized that it was a scam and that the people involved were crooks. Here is an interview with the filmaker.
nan said:It was taken down for copyright reasons. And I'm certainly not paying to watch propaganda from Russia.
dave said:Watch the movie and then we will talk.
Thank goodness the oligarchs in Russia have nan defending them. Nan, do you get a percentage of their unfrozen assets or are you just being a useful idiot?
https://www.pscp.tv/stranahan/1rmGPNpzAvYxN?t=9
got through 13 minutes - pure waste of time.
Can you just tell me which of these debunked lies is incorrect?
And since they're linked to sources - please link to your counter-source. And you're answer can't be - "You need to watch the movie".
nan said:
DaveSchmidt said:Sinclair Broadcast Group is perfect for many on this thread who think a 1990's vulture capitalist in Russia, who gave up his American citizenship to avoid paying taxes, is a good of heart, selfless humanitarian. It's as true as believing in the tooth fairy except this guy helped reignite the Cold War between two nuclear powers.
drummerboy said:“There is nothing wrong with your television set. Do not attempt to adjust the picture. We are controlling transmission. We will control the horizontal. We will control the vertical. We can change the focus to a soft blur or sharpen it to crystal clarity. For the next hour, sit quietly and we will control all that you see and hear."
Comet TV.
— Sinclair Broadcast Group
I would like to point out here that there is nothing wrong with renouncing your American citizenship in order to avoid paying taxes on foreign investments when you live and work abroad. As a matter of fact, the very reason I still haven't become a US citizen is because I would then have to continue to pay (or at the very least file) US taxes on my earnings and investments if I were ever to move back to the UK. Plenty of Americans of all fiscal levels renounce their US citizenship when they live in other countries. AFAIR, the US is the only country that taxes money made in foreign countries this way.
So for all his faults, renouncing his US citizenship for tax purposes is actually a smart move on his part, and not something we should be attacking him for.
nan said:
dave said:The link I put up yesterday seems to have disapeared. If you saw it on a pay site, please let me know the link because I can't find it anywhere for anything. Anyway, the filmaker of this film is an anti-Putin guy. He started making this movie as a tribute to Browder and slowly realized that it was a scam and that the people involved were crooks. Here is an interview with the filmaker.
nan said:It was taken down for copyright reasons. And I'm certainly not paying to watch propaganda from Russia.
dave said:Watch the movie and then we will talk.
Thank goodness the oligarchs in Russia have nan defending them. Nan, do you get a percentage of their unfrozen assets or are you just being a useful idiot?
https://www.pscp.tv/stranahan/1rmGPNpzAvYxN?t=9
I assume someone from Putin's entourage "had a little chat" with the filmaker and he decided to extend his life on planet earth by making propaganda rather than getting a food taster.
dave said:
nan said:I assume someone from Putin's entourage "had a little chat" with the filmaker and he decided to extend his life on planet earth by making propaganda rather than getting a food taster.
dave said:The link I put up yesterday seems to have disapeared. If you saw it on a pay site, please let me know the link because I can't find it anywhere for anything. Anyway, the filmaker of this film is an anti-Putin guy. He started making this movie as a tribute to Browder and slowly realized that it was a scam and that the people involved were crooks. Here is an interview with the filmaker.
nan said:It was taken down for copyright reasons. And I'm certainly not paying to watch propaganda from Russia.
dave said:Watch the movie and then we will talk.
Thank goodness the oligarchs in Russia have nan defending them. Nan, do you get a percentage of their unfrozen assets or are you just being a useful idiot?
https://www.pscp.tv/stranahan/1rmGPNpzAvYxN?t=9
No. That is not what happened. That Bill Browder is a brilliant guy with great connections and he knew how to play you all for a fool. Hopefully, his saving his butt does not lead to nuclear war. The filmmaker/director hated Putin and lost friends over making this movie. Browder has done what he can to make sure no one sees it. He also only accepts interviews where he knows he will get a good reception. That should make you suspicious, but instead you claim, based on zero evidence, that the anti-Putin film director was bought off. Without seeing the film.
Under oath, he admitted that Maginisky was not a lawyer that he had just hired, but an accountant that had worked for him for years. They stole something like $200 Million dollars in unpaid taxes and tried to make it look like the Russian government did it. Everything was transferred around shell companies. Browder let Maginisky rot in jail and take the fall for him. He had the original Russian documents translated to fit his story.
Browder's first partner, was a guy name Edmund Safra, the founder of Republic National Bank and heavily involved in shadow banking. He arranged for private jets filled with cash to travel between countries. He died in Monaco in a mysterious fire, on a rare night when his herd of body guards were not around. They blamed a male nurse who "confessed" to lighting a fire under duress and spent 8 years in jail. Dominick Dune wrote about this for Vanity Fair. These are not the kind of people that care deeply about people that work for them. A lot of them end up dead (and sometimes blamed on Putin).
Many negative things people think about Russia and Putin are made up by Bill Browder. His book was a best seller. So, I guess that's why people on this thread just prefer to believe the fantasy, cause it fits their pre-conceived and fiercely held beliefs.
nan,
what is it about Russia (Putin) that makes them good - or what makes them earning of your trust?
Why do you believe them unquestioningly?
Why do you think their sources are not compromised the way you believe the FBI is?
These are rhetorical questions - because the fact is that Putin's Russia is clearly more authoritarian than the U.S. is - consequently their govt. institutions are undoubtedly more compromised (and dishonest) than ours.
Yet you believe them over us.
It's very curious, and has most of us befuddled.
drummerboy said:
nan,
what is it about Russia (Putin) that makes them good - or what makes them earning of your trust?
Why do you believe them unquestioningly?
Why do you think their sources are not compromised the way you believe the FBI is?
These are rhetorical questions - because the fact is that Putin's Russia is clearly more authoritarian than the U.S. is - consequently their govt. institutions are undoubtedly more compromised (and dishonest) than ours.
Yet you believe them over us.
It's very curious, and has most of us befuddled.
When did I say that Putin is good or trustworthy? That's an extreme mischaracterization of my view. I have said multiple times that Putin is an authoritarian. Check on the definition of that term. It's not good.
But, just because someone is an authoritarian, does not mean that all accusations against him are true. Bill Browder is a case of a criminal who knows how to play on people's negative view of Putin. He knows how to play people on the right and left. He's a genius and he probably has help from some very powerful sources. He has a history of looting money and hanging out with the worst financial criminals in the world and setting up shell companies with no employees and claiming special tax breaks for hiring the disabled. He knows where the bodies are buried, countries overthrown and how the system works on the deepest level. That's the real Bill Browder: a world class crook.
Anyone who investigates this even half seriously will see that it is a fraud, but it is convenient for some to keep the manufactured consent going. Good to have everyone demonizing Russia as though they were really the problem. Works out well for the people who really have the power.
if you thought you addressed my question, you're wrong.
Is there any case, in the current Russia-related issues, that you do not take Putin's side?
drummerboy said:
if you thought you addressed my question, you're wrong.
Is there any case, in the current Russia-related issues, that you do not take Putin's side?
Which issue? Give me an example. But, please, I'm trying to talk about Browder here and I'm very annoyed that this thread keeps getting hijacked, mostly with nonsense. I'm running out of patience and I'm a special ed teacher.
I'm trying to find another link to the movie. So, far I found an interview with the director in Norway, talking about the frustrations of getting the movie screened. It has subtitles.
http://subrealism.blogspot.com/2018/07/why-we-caint-see-magnitsky-act-behind.html
nan said:
LOST said:Yes.
Are we in a new Cold War?
How can you say that when the President has the relationship he has with Putin? Did you live through the Cold War? Do you remember a POTUS and Russian Premier being buddy buddy because I remember something completely different.
OK, try this link to the film. Watch ASAP:
https://bit.tube/play?hash=QmchMdjdJ9SgH9oUH2UBd8xdmKWDpjdN2npYM9m8neMNus&channel=6255
nan said:
drummerboy said:Which issue? Give me an example. But, please, I'm trying to talk about Browder here and I'm very annoyed that this thread keeps getting hijacked, mostly with nonsense. I'm running out of patience and I'm a special ed teacher.
if you thought you addressed my question, you're wrong.
Is there any case, in the current Russia-related issues, that you do not take Putin's side?
I'm trying to find another link to the movie. So, far I found an interview with the director in Norway, talking about the frustrations of getting the movie screened. It has subtitles.
http://subrealism.blogspot.com/2018/07/why-we-caint-see-magnitsky-act-behind.html
fine forget Putin.
The problem with this thread is that you are trying to make a connection between Browder's apparent unsavory past and the Magnitsky Act, when there is none, other than Browder. The Act is not invalid simply because Browder did some bad things in the years before.
You get that, right?
(Or maybe you have more explanation that I give you credit for, because my eyes kind of glaze over at your longer posts, so maybe I missed it.)
p.s. the fact that Browder was apparently misidentified once as a lawyer is not a big deal. I mean, Browder didn't claim he was a lawyer, did he? Why do you keep on bringing that up? It sounds sort of desperate.
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Are Palestinian journalists being targeted by Israeli snipers?
With two journalists dead and at least 12 others injured, international criticism of Israeli tactics grows.
https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/insidestory/2018/04/palestinian-journalists-targeted-israeli-snipers-180428181902831.html