Big Game Hunting

Sure the national/international story will go away but I don't think the guy will ever have the same life. I'd think he'll go underground for a good long time with this, and then maybe resurface to tell his story to Oprah or something, and see what happens from there. He should also hire bodyguards, as I'm sure there are at least a few psychos/extremists out there who are willing to follow through on their online threats. It has happened to abortion doctors.

GGartrell said:

DottyParker said:

yahooyahoo said:
I heard an interview with the author of this book on the radio. Very interesting if you have the time.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/books/review/jon-ronsons-so-youve-been-publicly-shamed.html?_r=0

I have to say that out of all of the take-downs I've seen on social media, this one is epic. It's global. Cecil was a much loved lion that was a tourist attraction in Zimbabwe. Then there's the wealth of material about Palmer; his pics posing with big game he's killed; gasoline on the outrage fire. The report of Palmer's lying to Federal officials about a black bear he hunted. Everything about Palmer's life was dug up post haste. Even a sexual harassment suit that was filed against him by an employee complete with court documents.*
Early yesterday, Palmer's office and home address and phone numbers were posted on The Daily Mail's comments section. The Palmer/Cecil story was the lead. During the day, the posts went into the thousands which guaranteed similar articles being placed at the top. Protesters went to Palmer's home and office and left posters and stuffed animals. Palmer was forced to take down his Facebook page and had to close his office. Pledges were made to bring Palmer's business to its knees; Yelp filled up with angry messages about Palmer. Pics of Palmer's home and office are widespread. Meanwhile, petitions have been launched calling for the U.S./Zimbabwe to bring Palmer to justice. Last but not least, I've never read so many death threats against an individual on social media. Lots of them call for using a crossbow/bow and arrow against Palmer, beheading him and skinning him as was done to Cecil.
How does Palmer overcome this?

* http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2015/07/walter-palmer-sexual-harassment-suit-127k/

Once the initial outrage blows over this story will disappear just like the last several media hot topics. I wouldn't worry about this guy too much. If he has $50k to blow on a lion hunt I doubt he will be in the welfare line next week.

Student_Council said:
He should also hire bodyguards, as I'm sure there are at least a few psychos/extremists out there who are willing to follow through on their online threats.

He or his bodyguards should best monitor local crossbow sales.

We need to shame all the big game hunters, legal or not. They keep showing some 19 year old, bottle blonde bimbo with all of her dead lions, etc. , too, like selfies at a frat party. Makes me want to scream!!!!

callista said:
like selfies at a frat party.

That's exactly what it is about: the unbridled narcissism of entitled jackholes who wouldn't survive a single night in the jungle on their own, or even a life in civilized society without mommy's or daddy's strings.

The culprit did turn out to be a white American, as some predicted, as we citizens should hold shameful.

My son was friends with a pair of brothers in PreK years ago. We went to their house for a play date and there were heads of animals onthe walls. The dad was a big game hunter. Ugh...it freaks me out.

Hopefully this dentist never stops looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life.

Disgusting incriminating selfie and more details about the dental anti-hero's kill at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/walter-palmer-cecil-lion-killer_55b8dda7e4b0a13f9d1ae431?

blackcat said:
My son was friends with a pair of brothers in PreK years ago. We went to their house for a play date and there were heads of animals onthe walls. The dad was a big game hunter. Ugh...it freaks me out.
Hopefully this dentist never stops looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life.

Similar situation when my oldest was in first grade. He and a little boy in his class became friends and play dates ensued. The first time I went to their home, I noticed rifles locked in a cabinet. The dad said he and his buddies enjoyed hunting deer. What freaked me out the most was that the rifles didn't seem, at least to me, very secure. When I asked the Mom about the safety of the cabinet, had they had any issues, etc., she became very curt and pissy towards me. No more playdates at their house.

I wish I still had the email she sent regarding the rifles/hunting. It was something like, "I just KNEW you were one of THOSEE people who would get all crazy about hunting and ish. Sorry that the way we live offends you." Crank.

kibbegirl said:
Someone else was outed as a game hunter (not big game, but domestic hunting). I believe it was Ed Schultz from MSNBC.

Huh?

kibbegirl said:
Someone else was outed as a game hunter (not big game, but domestic hunting). I believe it was Ed Schultz from MSNBC.

Didn't realize hunters were still in the closet. I hunt and fish every single chance I get. Most of the time I do it with other men and sometimes I even do it with women. I HUNT, I'M HERE GET USED TO IT!!!!!! Now I need to get started on a flag.

Question- how many hoping this guy "looks over his shoulder" for the rest of his life are anti death penalty for killers of humans?

How many are vegans?

I don't get trophy hunting and don't hunt myself but perspective, people.

I don't hunt, but I have relatives and friends who do. I don't get freaked out when people hunt things we have an over abundance of, like deer, ducks, etc. I think what frosts people is when folks kill animals that are majestic and no sport at all, like giraffes, or those whose numbers we are trying to conserve, like lions, tigers, rhinos, et al. That crosses a line, at least for me. It is a blatant statement to the world that your moment of pleasure and bragging rights are worth more than a scarce animal, and that you really could care less about anything but getting what you want. That implied attitude is what is fueling the rage, in my opinion.

GGartrell said:

kibbegirl said:
Someone else was outed as a game hunter (not big game, but domestic hunting). I believe it was Ed Schultz from MSNBC.

Didn't realize hunters were still in the closet. I hunt and fish every single chance I get. Most of the time I do it with other men and sometimes I even do it with women. I HUNT, I'M HERE GET USED TO IT!!!!!! Now I need to get started on a flag.

Why shoot animals? What did they do to you?

I don't understand the appeal. Seems cowardly.

GGartrell said:

kibbegirl said:
Someone else was outed as a game hunter (not big game, but domestic hunting). I believe it was Ed Schultz from MSNBC.

Didn't realize hunters were still in the closet. I hunt and fish every single chance I get. Most of the time I do it with other men and sometimes I even do it with women. I HUNT, I'M HERE GET USED TO IT!!!!!! Now I need to get started on a flag.

Including trophy hunting? I understand the challenge of hunting animals that aren't easy prey, but killing a lion is pretty damn easy (provided you can afford the travel and guides).

Beyond outrageous. Makes my blood boil. I'd like to see the guy's head mounted over a mantel.

kibbegirl said:

blackcat said:
My son was friends with a pair of brothers in PreK years ago. We went to their house for a play date and there were heads of animals onthe walls. The dad was a big game hunter. Ugh...it freaks me out.
Hopefully this dentist never stops looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life.

Similar situation when my oldest was in first grade. He and a little boy in his class became friends and play dates ensued. The first time I went to their home, I noticed rifles locked in a cabinet. The dad said he and his buddies enjoyed hunting deer. What freaked me out the most was that the rifles didn't seem, at least to me, very secure. When I asked the Mom about the safety of the cabinet, had they had any issues, etc., she became very curt and pissy towards me. No more playdates at their house.
I wish I still had the email she sent regarding the rifles/hunting. It was something like, "I just KNEW you were one of THOSEE people who would get all crazy about hunting and ish. Sorry that the way we live offends you." Crank.

I love how a legtitimate question about gun safety gets spun into you being against hunting.

Growing up I had a friend whose father hunted deer, but I don't recall them having guns visible. I didn't even realize they hunted until one day my friend was showing me family pictures and in the stack was a picture of a dead deer hanging from the rope we always swung from in the back yard

dave23 said:

Including trophy hunting? I understand the challenge of hunting animals that aren't easy prey, but killing a lion is pretty damn easy (provided you can afford the travel and guides).

Especially easy when you lure it to you with raw meat and then shine a bright light in its face to get it to stand still while you shoot.

spontaneous said:

kibbegirl said:

blackcat said:
My son was friends with a pair of brothers in PreK years ago. We went to their house for a play date and there were heads of animals onthe walls. The dad was a big game hunter. Ugh...it freaks me out.
Hopefully this dentist never stops looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life.

Similar situation when my oldest was in first grade. He and a little boy in his class became friends and play dates ensued. The first time I went to their home, I noticed rifles locked in a cabinet. The dad said he and his buddies enjoyed hunting deer. What freaked me out the most was that the rifles didn't seem, at least to me, very secure. When I asked the Mom about the safety of the cabinet, had they had any issues, etc., she became very curt and pissy towards me. No more playdates at their house.
I wish I still had the email she sent regarding the rifles/hunting. It was something like, "I just KNEW you were one of THOSEE people who would get all crazy about hunting and ish. Sorry that the way we live offends you." Crank.

I love how a legtitimate question about gun safety gets spun into you being against hunting.
Growing up I had a friend whose father hunted deer, but I don't recall them having guns visible. I didn't even realize they hunted until one day my friend was showing me family pictures and in the stack was a picture of a dead deer hanging from the rope we always swung from in the back yard " src="//static.wwstf.com/common/plugins/redactor/emoticons/1.0/images/31.gif" unselectable="on">

My perspective on this is if you're a responsible gun owner, you won't be offended by me asking. If you are, you're probably not the type of family I feel comfortable with my kids playing with anyway.

Why does one have to be a vegan to understand how awful this is? I don't think he should live in fear, but I think this is a punishable crime.

Jackson_Fusion said:
Question- how many hoping this guy "looks over his shoulder" for the rest of his life are anti death penalty for killers of humans?


How many are vegans?


I don't get trophy hunting and don't hunt myself but perspective, people.

I'm against hunting. What happened with Cecil the Lion is inexcusable and the hunters should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Hunting lions should be outlawed completely.

However, the lynch mob mentality around this is really scary. Everyone has decided that they can be judge, jury, and executioner and use social media to destroy people.

TigerLilly said:
Why does one have to be a vegan to understand how awful this is? I don't think he should live in fear, but I think this is a punishable crime.

Jackson_Fusion said:
Question- how many hoping this guy "looks over his shoulder" for the rest of his life are anti death penalty for killers of humans?


How many are vegans?


I don't get trophy hunting and don't hunt myself but perspective, people.

If you read the rest of the thread, comments have gone beyond the lion and on to hunting generally.

Jackson_Fusion said:

TigerLilly said:
Why does one have to be a vegan to understand how awful this is? I don't think he should live in fear, but I think this is a punishable crime.

Jackson_Fusion said:
Question- how many hoping this guy "looks over his shoulder" for the rest of his life are anti death penalty for killers of humans?


How many are vegans?


I don't get trophy hunting and don't hunt myself but perspective, people.

If you read the rest of the thread, comments have gone beyond the lion and on to hunting generally.

And in some cases have recommended the death penalty. A little irony there.

TarheelsInNj said:

spontaneous said:

kibbegirl said:

blackcat said:
My son was friends with a pair of brothers in PreK years ago. We went to their house for a play date and there were heads of animals onthe walls. The dad was a big game hunter. Ugh...it freaks me out.
Hopefully this dentist never stops looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life.

Similar situation when my oldest was in first grade. He and a little boy in his class became friends and play dates ensued. The first time I went to their home, I noticed rifles locked in a cabinet. The dad said he and his buddies enjoyed hunting deer. What freaked me out the most was that the rifles didn't seem, at least to me, very secure. When I asked the Mom about the safety of the cabinet, had they had any issues, etc., she became very curt and pissy towards me. No more playdates at their house.
I wish I still had the email she sent regarding the rifles/hunting. It was something like, "I just KNEW you were one of THOSEE people who would get all crazy about hunting and ish. Sorry that the way we live offends you." Crank.

I love how a legtitimate question about gun safety gets spun into you being against hunting.
Growing up I had a friend whose father hunted deer, but I don't recall them having guns visible. I didn't even realize they hunted until one day my friend was showing me family pictures and in the stack was a picture of a dead deer hanging from the rope we always swung from in the back yard " src="//static.wwstf.com/common/plugins/redactor/emoticons/1.0/images/31.gif" unselectable="on">

My perspective on this is if you're a responsible gun owner, you won't be offended by me asking. If you are, you're probably not the type of family I feel comfortable with my kids playing with anyway.

Exactaly! I do my best to make sure every parent that has a kid over at my house knows there are firearms here. I would have no problem discussing the layers of protection between their kid and my guns. Also wouldn't be offended if they decided that they would rather not have their kid visit.

You don't have to be a vegan, vegetarian, pescatarian to be incensed by what happened to this lion. What you have to be is human and have compassion for animals (or people for that matter) who cannot protect themselves.

There is something wrong with a man who hunts outside of the rules. He has been cited before for not following the rules. Who knows what he may have gotten away with prior to being caught the first time and in all the times in between?

I had a pair of great uncles who hunted when I was growing up. They didn't have assault rifles and scopes and sprays and camo clothing and all this other BS. They had hunting guns and whatever else regular hunters used. They hunted deer and from what I can recall, wild pheasants up in Maine. They didn't come home with tons of dead animals. My uncles were of Cree Indian background and only brought home what they knew they could use. This is a different philosophy than going out with your man cave buddies, taking selfies of your kill for Instagram and hanging heads on your wall just for the "sport" of it.

I don't agree with this entirely, but it is "food for thought." I am only pasting the two opening paragraphs since the article is quite long and rather revolting.

http://www.vox.com/2015/7/30/9074547/cecil-lion-chicken-meat

Eating chicken is morally worse than killing Cecil the lion

If the outcry over the killing of Cecil the lion tells us anything, it's that people are capable of genuine moral outrage at the needless killing of animals. And good for them. Animals are conscious beings capable of feeling pleasure and pain, and we have an obligation to make their lives as good as possible.

But in a given year, the typical American will cause the death of 30 land animals, and 28 chickens, by eating meat. And these animals aren’t just killed, they effectively live lives of constant torture and suffering — not directly at the hands of the people who eat them, but at the hands of the meat producers who sell them.

yahooyahoo said:
I'm against hunting. What happened with Cecil the Lion is inexcusable and the hunters should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Hunting lions should be outlawed completely.
However, the lynch mob mentality around this is really scary. Everyone has decided that they can be judge, jury, and executioner and use social media to destroy people.

Social media discovered that Palmer owns a home in Marco Island, Florida. In an indication of how bad this is, a crisis manager suggested two things that Palmer can do: change his name and move. Social media has also now gone after Palmer's daughter (he has two children) and her place of work.

http://www.news-press.com/story/news/local/2015/07/29/dentist-kills-cecil--lion/30827417/

https://www.facebook.com/478622992305703/photos/pb.478622992305703.-2207520000.1438114212./478625112305491/?type=3&theater

The people harassing and threatening his family are much, much, much worse people than a guy who shot a lion. But they see themselves as mighty righteous avenging Angels, fighting for the memory of an animal they never heard of until 15 minutes ago.

600 lions are legally killed a year. If you do a google search for "Cecil the Lion" customized to look before 7/1/15 you get zero results. So can we stop with the "this lion was special" nonsense? Special to whom? People who lived in the area? People who allow permitting and shooting of their lions?

Understand that the people who are most incensed about this are likely incensed about any number of things, any number of times a day. Don't get caught up in it. Have a reasonable discussion on whether or not big game hunting is good or bad? Of course. Propose a solution to stop it, legally? Yes, if you wish! Get wrapped up in some sort of Fantasia about what you want to happen to the guy? See a shrink.

Social media has become a place where the most demented and lost are able to vent their illness on the rest of the world. Everyone likes a freak show, so they get wide play. It's never good to encourage the histrionic, but on Twitter and elsewhere these nuts find each other and whip themselves into a frenzy.

Jackson_Fusion said:
The people harassing and threatening his family are much, much, much worse people than a guy who shot a lion. But they see themselves as mighty righteous avenging Angels, fighting for the memory of an animal they never heard of until 15 minutes ago.
600 lions are legally killed a year. If you do a google search for "Cecil the Lion" customized to look before 7/1/15 you get zero results. So can we stop with the "this lion was special" nonsense? Special to whom? People who lived in the area? People who allow permitting and shooting of their lions?
Understand that the people who are most incensed about this are likely incensed about any number of things, any number of times a day. Don't get caught up in it. Have a reasonable discussion on whether or not big game hunting is good or bad? Of course. Propose a solution to stop it, legally? Yes, if you wish! Get wrapped up in some sort of Fantasia about what you want to happen to the guy? See a shrink.
Social media has become a place where the most demented and lost are able to vent their illness on the rest of the world. Everyone likes a freak show, so they get wide play. It's never good to encourage the histrionic, but on Twitter and elsewhere these nuts find each other and whip themselves into a frenzy.

Great points. Hopefully the band wagon is almost full. I still believe in less than a years time this guy will be back pulling teeth and no one will remember this.

GGartrell said:

I still believe in less than a years time this guy will be back pulling teeth and no one will remember this.

I sincerely doubt it. Perceptions of animal abuse bring out the crazy in a big way. I think the man has legitimate reason to be very afraid.

I don't like what he did but I absolutely don't support the crazy responses.