Beyoncé political statement during the half time Super Bowl

PeggyC said:

TigerLilly said:

I think the fact that an old washed-up conservative white guy is upset over this kinda confirms that she did something right. Instead of condemning her Black Panther "salute" he should be asking why it resonates so strongly with many Americans.

This. If Giuliani protests anything, that's a good sign to me that it is very likely something I agree with. The man is a whiny ass.

Usually when Rudy engages in this type of campaign to shame and humiliate a woman publicly he at least marries her first.

If Beyonce's performance was the only thing that upset you at the Superbowl you missed this memo!

http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/super-bowl-halftime-gay-propaganda/

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/super-bowl-50-filled-with-illuminati-and-pro-lgbt-imagery-dominates-halftime-show/

Wow... really... People do go this far to get upset about a show that the end it is only about one thing and that is to make $$$$$$$$$ for a few? 

I think we should start dissecting the commercials next. I know there were some serious hidden messages that are going to send us all out to buy doritos and who knows what else!

PS: This message is full of sarcasm. I believe this is a bunch of crap. Just pointing out how crazy some people really are and how far they will go to "find" something to b!tch about!

imonlysleeping said:

See, I don't think they CAN write a great pop song. Their stuff is all tuneless mush as far as I can tell. You know what's a great freaking pop song? "Single Ladies."

Amen!

that song is annoying...  boringly repetitive

pmartinezv said:

If Beyonce's performance was the only thing that upset you at the Superbowl you missed this memo!


http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/super-bowl-halftime-gay-propaganda/


http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/super-bowl-50-filled-with-illuminati-and-pro-lgbt-imagery-dominates-halftime-show/


Wow... really... People do go this far to get upset about a show that the end it is only about one thing and that is to make $$$$$$$$$ for a few? 

I think we should start dissecting the commercials next. I know there were some serious hidden messages that are going to send us all out to buy doritos and who knows what else!

PS: This message is full of sarcasm. I believe this is a bunch of crap. Just pointing out how crazy some people really are and how far they will go to "find" something to b!tch about!

I watched that Now The End Begins video yesterday. It's genius. Study it out, people!

Well that was the creepy Super Bowl babies video... it's like they were basically saying "this game is boring, go find something fun to do." 

Thank heaven Beyoncé brought her considerable heft to the issue of race relations.

After googling "Panthers Newton" and learning new things, she couldn't help herself. Who could?

The Panthers and Newton failed, it's worth noting. 

I personally think it's obnoxious. Malcolm X preached racial separation. The Panthers advocate violence. Against whom? For Huey, it was a cop. Same for Bobby Hutton and Eldridge Cleaver. For others in the "movement", it was the same dummies cheering on Bey, in some cases.

If Beyoncé, in her own arriviste way wants to lay claim to some role as a BLM standard bearer, she does no favors by tying them to a bunch of violent, Internationale humming, Little Red Book carrying racists from nearly 50 years ago. 

Jackson_Fusion said:

Thank heaven Beyoncé brought her considerable heft to the issue of race relations.

After googling "Panthers Newton" and learning new things, she couldn't help herself. Who could?

The Panthers and Newton failed, it's worth noting. 

I personally think it's obnoxious. Malcolm X preached racial separation. The Panthers advocate violence. Against whom? For Huey, it was a cop. Same for Bobby Hutton and Eldridge Cleaver. For others in the "movement", it was the same dummies cheering on Bey, in some cases.

If Beyoncé, in her own arriviste way wants to lay claim to some role as a BLM standard bearer, she does no favors by tying them to a bunch of violent, Internationale humming, Little Red Book carrying racists from nearly 50 years ago. 

Thanks for straightening all that out in that engaging tin foil hatty, ahistorical way you have. How else does Beyonce's 'heft' affect you and do you feel guilty about it afterwards?

flimbro said:

Jackson_Fusion said:

Thank heaven Beyoncé brought her considerable heft to the issue of race relations.

After googling "Panthers Newton" and learning new things, she couldn't help herself. Who could?

The Panthers and Newton failed, it's worth noting. 

I personally think it's obnoxious. Malcolm X preached racial separation. The Panthers advocate violence. Against whom? For Huey, it was a cop. Same for Bobby Hutton and Eldridge Cleaver. For others in the "movement", it was the same dummies cheering on Bey, in some cases.

If Beyoncé, in her own arriviste way wants to lay claim to some role as a BLM standard bearer, she does no favors by tying them to a bunch of violent, Internationale humming, Little Red Book carrying racists from nearly 50 years ago. 

Thanks for straightening all that out in that engaging tin foil hatty, ahistorical way you have. How else does Beyonce's 'heft' affect you and do you feel guilty about it afterwards?

Stay classy!

Please keep in mind that all of the people you listed were reported on in newspapers and on tv in your era and I'm sure not politely. They frightened white people because they weren't afraid to vocalize their anger. Whether you agree with the way they or Beyonce went about it is another thing. Also, I doubt that you've read any books on any of these men (I have only read the Autobiography of Malcolm X by Alex Haley -- the same Mr. Haley who wrote "Roots"). 

I do recall that in the autobiography, Malcolm traveled to Mecca and was shocked by the diversity of those participating in the pilgrimage. He describes in what is known as the "Letter from Mecca", the hair, skin and eye color in the passage (from my recollection). He shared food, conversation and prayed with white people. The same people, as he knew, would never break bread with him in America. In Mecca, it was different. Everyone prayed together and drank from the same glass. He truly felt a kinship with them all, not just the black people from other nations. He felt a bond with everyone. There was no separation. No one was afraid to touch him and no one looked at him as a thief. This journey made him change and when he brought back these reflections to the NOI, it was a downhill spiral from there. He no longer wanted to put all whites into the same racist category. He wanted freedom and happiness for all people, not just blacks, after his trip to Mecca. 

Jackson_Fusion said:

Thank heaven Beyoncé brought her considerable heft to the issue of race relations.

After googling "Panthers Newton" and learning new things, she couldn't help herself. Who could?

The Panthers and Newton failed, it's worth noting. 

I personally think it's obnoxious. Malcolm X preached racial separation. The Panthers advocate violence. Against whom? For Huey, it was a cop. Same for Bobby Hutton and Eldridge Cleaver. For others in the "movement", it was the same dummies cheering on Bey, in some cases.

If Beyoncé, in her own arriviste way wants to lay claim to some role as a BLM standard bearer, she does no favors by tying them to a bunch of violent, Internationale humming, Little Red Book carrying racists from nearly 50 years ago. 

imonlysleeping said:

See, I don't think they CAN write a great pop song. Their stuff is all tuneless mush as far as I can tell. You know what's a great freaking pop song? "Single Ladies."

Ok, so you much prefer:

uh-uh-oooooooooh uh-uh-ooooooooh 

to 

oh-ooooooooooh-oh  oh-ooooooh-oh

got it.  

As Mr. Kibbegirl would say, "You're not my demo. This ain't for you." And that's okay. Not all music is for all people, but we can't dismiss it as junk. I don't get Myles Davis to save my life, but he's considered a genius. I have to accept that and move on. 

Red_Barchetta said:

imonlysleeping said:

See, I don't think they CAN write a great pop song. Their stuff is all tuneless mush as far as I can tell. You know what's a great freaking pop song? "Single Ladies."

Ok, so you much prefer:

uh-uh-oooooooooh uh-uh-ooooooooh 

to 

oh-ooooooooooh-oh  oh-ooooooh-oh

got it.  

I agree that the bad apples in the police force should be called and culled out. That being said, I feel too many folks unfairly stereotype police officers as racist thugs when the majority are decent human beings like the rest of us.

tom said:

I don't buy this "cops are so awesome they protect us don't ever say anything bad about any of them" authoritarian stuff. 

There are some bad apples, and they need to be called out.

kibbegirl said:

Please keep in mind that all of the people you listed were reported on in newspapers and on tv in your era and I'm sure not politely. They frightened white people because they weren't afraid to vocalize their anger. Whether you agree with the way they or Beyonce went about it is another thing. Also, I doubt that you've read any books on any of these men (I have only read the Autobiography of Malcolm X by Alex Haley -- the same Mr. Haley who wrote "Roots"). 

I do recall that in the autobiography, Malcolm traveled to Mecca and was shocked by the diversity of those participating in the pilgrimage. He describes in what is known as the "Letter from Mecca", the hair, skin and eye color in the passage (from my recollection). He shared food, conversation and prayed with white people. The same people, as he knew, would never break bread with him in America. In Mecca, it was different. Everyone prayed together and drank from the same glass. He truly felt a kinship with them all, not just the black people from other nations. He felt a bond with everyone. There was no separation. No one was afraid to touch him and no one looked at him as a thief. This journey made him change and when he brought back these reflections to the NOI, it was a downhill spiral from there. He no longer wanted to put all whites into the same racist category. He wanted freedom and happiness for all people, not just blacks, after his trip to Mecca. 

Jackson_Fusion said:

Thank heaven Beyoncé brought her considerable heft to the issue of race relations.

After googling "Panthers Newton" and learning new things, she couldn't help herself. Who could?

The Panthers and Newton failed, it's worth noting. 

I personally think it's obnoxious. Malcolm X preached racial separation. The Panthers advocate violence. Against whom? For Huey, it was a cop. Same for Bobby Hutton and Eldridge Cleaver. For others in the "movement", it was the same dummies cheering on Bey, in some cases.

If Beyoncé, in her own arriviste way wants to lay claim to some role as a BLM standard bearer, she does no favors by tying them to a bunch of violent, Internationale humming, Little Red Book carrying racists from nearly 50 years ago. 

I read the Autobiography somewhere around sophomore year in HS. You are referring to Malik el- Shabazz, who in essence "killed" Malcolm X and was then himself killed in turn by Elijah Muhammed's thugs (allegedly).

The individuals I listed, and the incidents involving police shootings, are facts, not conjecture. You can argue about how they went down (reams of literature do just that) and draw your own conclusions, but the fact is the Panthers were violent revolutionaries. Ask Bobby Seale if I'm lying! Not like they were hiding it then or now. 

The fact that they're being touted by pop stars at Super Bowls tells me people have no idea who or what they were.

And the Panthers didn't just scare white people. Not that it's ok if that were the case- threats of racial violence are repellant no matter what- but they scared all sorts of people.

I won't. I just can't. Be well. 

Jackson_Fusion said:

kibbegirl said:

Please keep in mind that all of the people you listed were reported on in newspapers and on tv in your era and I'm sure not politely. They frightened white people because they weren't afraid to vocalize their anger. Whether you agree with the way they or Beyonce went about it is another thing. Also, I doubt that you've read any books on any of these men (I have only read the Autobiography of Malcolm X by Alex Haley -- the same Mr. Haley who wrote "Roots"). 

I do recall that in the autobiography, Malcolm traveled to Mecca and was shocked by the diversity of those participating in the pilgrimage. He describes in what is known as the "Letter from Mecca", the hair, skin and eye color in the passage (from my recollection). He shared food, conversation and prayed with white people. The same people, as he knew, would never break bread with him in America. In Mecca, it was different. Everyone prayed together and drank from the same glass. He truly felt a kinship with them all, not just the black people from other nations. He felt a bond with everyone. There was no separation. No one was afraid to touch him and no one looked at him as a thief. This journey made him change and when he brought back these reflections to the NOI, it was a downhill spiral from there. He no longer wanted to put all whites into the same racist category. He wanted freedom and happiness for all people, not just blacks, after his trip to Mecca. 

Jackson_Fusion said:

Thank heaven Beyoncé brought her considerable heft to the issue of race relations.

After googling "Panthers Newton" and learning new things, she couldn't help herself. Who could?

The Panthers and Newton failed, it's worth noting. 

I personally think it's obnoxious. Malcolm X preached racial separation. The Panthers advocate violence. Against whom? For Huey, it was a cop. Same for Bobby Hutton and Eldridge Cleaver. For others in the "movement", it was the same dummies cheering on Bey, in some cases.

If Beyoncé, in her own arriviste way wants to lay claim to some role as a BLM standard bearer, she does no favors by tying them to a bunch of violent, Internationale humming, Little Red Book carrying racists from nearly 50 years ago. 

I read the Autobiography somewhere around sophomore year in HS. You are referring to Malik el- Shabazz, who in essence "killed" Malcolm X and was then himself killed in turn by Elijah Muhammed's thugs (allegedly).

The individuals I listed, and the incidents involving police shootings, are facts, not conjecture. You can argue about how they went down (reams of literature do just that) and draw your own conclusions, but the fact is the Panthers were violent revolutionaries. Ask Bobby Seale if I'm lying! Not like they were hiding it then or now. 

The fact that they're being touted by pop stars at Super Bowls tells me people have no idea who or what they were.

And the Panthers didn't just scare white people. Not that it's ok if that were the case- threats of racial violence are repellant no matter what- but they scared all sorts of people.

Yeah, it's a family event where mostly black men get pummeled to earn mostly white men a fortune. Gimme a break. I enjoyed the show and I'm probably the key demographic the NFL is after: a woman who only watches the game for the commercials and halftime show. The NFL lives for this faux controversy about the artists who perform. Will they or won't they behave? They expect them to be challenging and controversial - i.e. Madonna and MIA or Janet and her boob (which was certainly pre-planned)  

Re: Beyoncé...she's been an activist in her own right for years and a self-described feminist. To expect her to come out and shake her ass and not have an opinion on something profoundly important her is short-sighted. She's a musician and musicians use their music to covey their message. 

agbarganza said:

I agree that the bad apples in the police force should be called and culled out. That being said, I feel too many folks unfairly stereotype police officers as racist thugs when the majority are decent human beings like the rest of us.

tom said:

I don't buy this "cops are so awesome they protect us don't ever say anything bad about any of them" authoritarian stuff. 

There are some bad apples, and they need to be called out.

Far too many cops unfairly stereotype the people they "serve" as dangerous criminals when the majority are decent human beings like the rest of us.

When we do the stereotyping good cops get their their feelings hurt, when cops do it men, women and children die.

Jackson_Fusion said:

kibbegirl said:

Please keep in mind that all of the people you listed were reported on in newspapers and on tv in your era and I'm sure not politely. They frightened white people because they weren't afraid to vocalize their anger. Whether you agree with the way they or Beyonce went about it is another thing. Also, I doubt that you've read any books on any of these men (I have only read the Autobiography of Malcolm X by Alex Haley -- the same Mr. Haley who wrote "Roots"). 

I do recall that in the autobiography, Malcolm traveled to Mecca and was shocked by the diversity of those participating in the pilgrimage. He describes in what is known as the "Letter from Mecca", the hair, skin and eye color in the passage (from my recollection). He shared food, conversation and prayed with white people. The same people, as he knew, would never break bread with him in America. In Mecca, it was different. Everyone prayed together and drank from the same glass. He truly felt a kinship with them all, not just the black people from other nations. He felt a bond with everyone. There was no separation. No one was afraid to touch him and no one looked at him as a thief. This journey made him change and when he brought back these reflections to the NOI, it was a downhill spiral from there. He no longer wanted to put all whites into the same racist category. He wanted freedom and happiness for all people, not just blacks, after his trip to Mecca. 

Jackson_Fusion said:

Thank heaven Beyoncé brought her considerable heft to the issue of race relations.

After googling "Panthers Newton" and learning new things, she couldn't help herself. Who could?

The Panthers and Newton failed, it's worth noting. 

I personally think it's obnoxious. Malcolm X preached racial separation. The Panthers advocate violence. Against whom? For Huey, it was a cop. Same for Bobby Hutton and Eldridge Cleaver. For others in the "movement", it was the same dummies cheering on Bey, in some cases.

If Beyoncé, in her own arriviste way wants to lay claim to some role as a BLM standard bearer, she does no favors by tying them to a bunch of violent, Internationale humming, Little Red Book carrying racists from nearly 50 years ago. 

I read the Autobiography somewhere around sophomore year in HS. You are referring to Malik el- Shabazz, who in essence "killed" Malcolm X and was then himself killed in turn by Elijah Muhammed's thugs (allegedly).

The individuals I listed, and the incidents involving police shootings, are facts, not conjecture. You can argue about how they went down (reams of literature do just that) and draw your own conclusions, but the fact is the Panthers were violent revolutionaries. Ask Bobby Seale if I'm lying! Not like they were hiding it then or now. 

The fact that they're being touted by pop stars at Super Bowls tells me people have no idea who or what they were.

And the Panthers didn't just scare white people. Not that it's ok if that were the case- threats of racial violence are repellant no matter what- but they scared all sorts of people.

It would seem the difference between the violent revolutionaries Beyoncé was singing about and the violent revolutionaries Lady Gaga was singing about is that Lady Gaga's violent revolutionaries won their war.

Jackson_Fusion said:

kibbegirl said:

Please keep in mind that all of the people you listed were reported on in newspapers and on tv in your era and I'm sure not politely. They frightened white people because they weren't afraid to vocalize their anger. Whether you agree with the way they or Beyonce went about it is another thing. Also, I doubt that you've read any books on any of these men (I have only read the Autobiography of Malcolm X by Alex Haley -- the same Mr. Haley who wrote "Roots"). 

I do recall that in the autobiography, Malcolm traveled to Mecca and was shocked by the diversity of those participating in the pilgrimage. He describes in what is known as the "Letter from Mecca", the hair, skin and eye color in the passage (from my recollection). He shared food, conversation and prayed with white people. The same people, as he knew, would never break bread with him in America. In Mecca, it was different. Everyone prayed together and drank from the same glass. He truly felt a kinship with them all, not just the black people from other nations. He felt a bond with everyone. There was no separation. No one was afraid to touch him and no one looked at him as a thief. This journey made him change and when he brought back these reflections to the NOI, it was a downhill spiral from there. He no longer wanted to put all whites into the same racist category. He wanted freedom and happiness for all people, not just blacks, after his trip to Mecca. 

Jackson_Fusion said:

Thank heaven Beyoncé brought her considerable heft to the issue of race relations.

After googling "Panthers Newton" and learning new things, she couldn't help herself. Who could?

The Panthers and Newton failed, it's worth noting. 

I personally think it's obnoxious. Malcolm X preached racial separation. The Panthers advocate violence. Against whom? For Huey, it was a cop. Same for Bobby Hutton and Eldridge Cleaver. For others in the "movement", it was the same dummies cheering on Bey, in some cases.

If Beyoncé, in her own arriviste way wants to lay claim to some role as a BLM standard bearer, she does no favors by tying them to a bunch of violent, Internationale humming, Little Red Book carrying racists from nearly 50 years ago. 

I read the Autobiography somewhere around sophomore year in HS. You are referring to Malik el- Shabazz, who in essence "killed" Malcolm X and was then himself killed in turn by Elijah Muhammed's thugs (allegedly).

The individuals I listed, and the incidents involving police shootings, are facts, not conjecture. You can argue about how they went down (reams of literature do just that) and draw your own conclusions, but the fact is the Panthers were violent revolutionaries. Ask Bobby Seale if I'm lying! Not like they were hiding it then or now. 

The fact that they're being touted by pop stars at Super Bowls tells me people have no idea who or what they were.

And the Panthers didn't just scare white people. Not that it's ok if that were the case- threats of racial violence are repellant no matter what- but they scared all sorts of people.

Yes, racial violence is repellent and every person you've mentioned as well as the artist being debated here is REACTING TO the repellent racial violence visited on them by the country they live in. They are reacting to violence not generating it. The Black Panther Party For Self Defense was in fact about self defense - and self sufficiency- that's why they were feared. The most compelling of those 'reams of literature' you refer to are incriminating documents published by the government agencies who routinely incarcerated, harassed, surveilled and killed Panthers.   

Malcolm X preached self sufficiency, knowledge of self, self defense, self control and education. He lived in a country birthed in separatism and in his time one that was engaged in half hearted integration stymied by Jim Crow. He understood America and mindsets like yours and he lost no time in exposing the hypocrisy of killers who cited 'violent tendencies' in those they were in fact attempting to kill. Malcolm X was stunningly articulate, well traveled, politically astute, unafraid and unrepentant and that is what frightened people.  

OK, enough yelling into the wind.

Just a sideline observation - I don't think people got a message of "violent unrest" from Beyonce's uniform. I think they thought "Black Pride." But, I'm a middle-aged white chick, so I could be wrong.

P.S. - Hysterical comment. Thank you for that.

Stoughton said:

PeggyC said:

TigerLilly said:

I think the fact that an old washed-up conservative white guy is upset over this kinda confirms that she did something right. Instead of condemning her Black Panther "salute" he should be asking why it resonates so strongly with many Americans.

This. If Giuliani protests anything, that's a good sign to me that it is very likely something I agree with. The man is a whiny ass.

Usually when Rudy engages in this type of campaign to shame and humiliate a woman publicly he at least marries her first.

Funny how an entertainer raising a fist mid air and dancing into an X formation is somehow taken as a hostile threat against the police and white society in general but when the police shoot unarmed civilians, who often times running away, that somehow is threatening. Funny how that happens. 

TigerLilly said:

Just a sideline observation - I don't think people got a message of "violent unrest" from Beyonce's uniform. I think they thought "Black Pride." But, I'm a middle-aged white chick, so I could be wrong.

Wait, her body suit and stockings were supposed to be making a political statement? 

I saw the halftime show. I didn't see or hear anything that filled me with outrage or white guilt or anything like that. Was I watching the same halftime show everyone else was watching?    

spontaneous said:

TigerLilly said:

Just a sideline observation - I don't think people got a message of "violent unrest" from Beyonce's uniform. I think they thought "Black Pride." But, I'm a middle-aged white chick, so I could be wrong.

Wait, her body suit and stockings were supposed to be making a political statement? 

I saw the halftime show. I didn't see or hear anything that filled me with outrage or white guilt or anything like that. Was I watching the same halftime show everyone else was watching?    

But, But..... Guiliani said you should be outraged! Now, go be outraged!!!

flimbro said:

Jackson_Fusion said:

kibbegirl said:

Please keep in mind that all of the people you listed were reported on in newspapers and on tv in your era and I'm sure not politely. They frightened white people because they weren't afraid to vocalize their anger. Whether you agree with the way they or Beyonce went about it is another thing. Also, I doubt that you've read any books on any of these men (I have only read the Autobiography of Malcolm X by Alex Haley -- the same Mr. Haley who wrote "Roots"). 

I do recall that in the autobiography, Malcolm traveled to Mecca and was shocked by the diversity of those participating in the pilgrimage. He describes in what is known as the "Letter from Mecca", the hair, skin and eye color in the passage (from my recollection). He shared food, conversation and prayed with white people. The same people, as he knew, would never break bread with him in America. In Mecca, it was different. Everyone prayed together and drank from the same glass. He truly felt a kinship with them all, not just the black people from other nations. He felt a bond with everyone. There was no separation. No one was afraid to touch him and no one looked at him as a thief. This journey made him change and when he brought back these reflections to the NOI, it was a downhill spiral from there. He no longer wanted to put all whites into the same racist category. He wanted freedom and happiness for all people, not just blacks, after his trip to Mecca. 

Jackson_Fusion said:

Thank heaven Beyoncé brought her considerable heft to the issue of race relations.

After googling "Panthers Newton" and learning new things, she couldn't help herself. Who could?

The Panthers and Newton failed, it's worth noting. 

I personally think it's obnoxious. Malcolm X preached racial separation. The Panthers advocate violence. Against whom? For Huey, it was a cop. Same for Bobby Hutton and Eldridge Cleaver. For others in the "movement", it was the same dummies cheering on Bey, in some cases.

If Beyoncé, in her own arriviste way wants to lay claim to some role as a BLM standard bearer, she does no favors by tying them to a bunch of violent, Internationale humming, Little Red Book carrying racists from nearly 50 years ago. 

I read the Autobiography somewhere around sophomore year in HS. You are referring to Malik el- Shabazz, who in essence "killed" Malcolm X and was then himself killed in turn by Elijah Muhammed's thugs (allegedly).

The individuals I listed, and the incidents involving police shootings, are facts, not conjecture. You can argue about how they went down (reams of literature do just that) and draw your own conclusions, but the fact is the Panthers were violent revolutionaries. Ask Bobby Seale if I'm lying! Not like they were hiding it then or now. 

The fact that they're being touted by pop stars at Super Bowls tells me people have no idea who or what they were.

And the Panthers didn't just scare white people. Not that it's ok if that were the case- threats of racial violence are repellant no matter what- but they scared all sorts of people.

Yes, racial violence is repellent and every person you've mentioned as well as the artist being debated here is REACTING TO the repellent racial violence visited on them by the country they live in. They are reacting to violence not generating it. The Black Panther Party For Self Defense was in fact about self defense - and self sufficiency- that's why they were feared. The most compelling of those 'reams of literature' you refer to are incriminating documents published by the government agencies who routinely incarcerated, harassed, surveilled and killed Panthers.   

Malcolm X preached self sufficiency, knowledge of self, self defense, self control and education. He lived in a country birthed in separatism and in his time one that was engaged in half hearted integration stymied by Jim Crow. He understood America and mindsets like yours and he lost no time in exposing the hypocrisy of killers who cited 'violent tendencies' in those they were in fact attempting to kill. Malcolm X was stunningly articulate, well traveled, politically astute, unafraid and unrepentant and that is what frightened people.  

OK, enough yelling into the wind.

Ok, self defense. Let's exclude the various dead "oppressors". The killings between BPP and BLA? BPP and US Organization? Torture murder of Alex Rackley? Crystal Grey? Nelson Malloy? Betty Van Patter? That's not an exhaustive list. BPP members proved particularly adroit at killing other BPP members, as well as members of rival organizations. 

Who were they self-defending against there? Who?

If these are your heroes, that's you're business. It's not the wind you're yelling into- it's reality. Bend your own as you wish, but don't expect others to do likewise.

In terms of Malik el-Shabazz- unless Haley was lying, Malcolm X was a different man when he returned from the Hajj. 

http://islam.uga.edu/malcomx.html

Well, check that. Unless Malcolm X lied.

spontaneous said:

TigerLilly said:

Just a sideline observation - I don't think people got a message of "violent unrest" from Beyonce's uniform. I think they thought "Black Pride." But, I'm a middle-aged white chick, so I could be wrong.

Wait, her body suit and stockings were supposed to be making a political statement? 

I saw the halftime show. I didn't see or hear anything that filled me with outrage or white guilt or anything like that. Was I watching the same halftime show everyone else was watching?    

I thought her body suit was a homage to Michael Jackson -- seriously, I heard that.

I just saw one of "those shows" (Insider?) and it seems that all the hubbub that Giuliani/Fox News was making was about her music video, not so much the halftime show.  

never mind the militaristic pole dancing outfits. The BPs did not dress like pole dancers and seemed to be no girls allowed. By the end of the half time show, Beyoncé, Chris Martin, and Bruno Mars were singing a plea for harmony together. That's my take away.  I liked it but I knew they would take a lot of sh*t for being so corny.

Oh, and hats off to Lady Gaga for an excellent rendition of the national anthem. Not since Whitney, sez I. She is just all right with me.

ridski said:

Jackson_Fusion said:

kibbegirl said:

Please keep in mind that all of the people you listed were reported on in newspapers and on tv in your era and I'm sure not politely. They frightened white people because they weren't afraid to vocalize their anger. Whether you agree with the way they or Beyonce went about it is another thing. Also, I doubt that you've read any books on any of these men (I have only read the Autobiography of Malcolm X by Alex Haley -- the same Mr. Haley who wrote "Roots"). 

I do recall that in the autobiography, Malcolm traveled to Mecca and was shocked by the diversity of those participating in the pilgrimage. He describes in what is known as the "Letter from Mecca", the hair, skin and eye color in the passage (from my recollection). He shared food, conversation and prayed with white people. The same people, as he knew, would never break bread with him in America. In Mecca, it was different. Everyone prayed together and drank from the same glass. He truly felt a kinship with them all, not just the black people from other nations. He felt a bond with everyone. There was no separation. No one was afraid to touch him and no one looked at him as a thief. This journey made him change and when he brought back these reflections to the NOI, it was a downhill spiral from there. He no longer wanted to put all whites into the same racist category. He wanted freedom and happiness for all people, not just blacks, after his trip to Mecca. 

Jackson_Fusion said:

Thank heaven Beyoncé brought her considerable heft to the issue of race relations.

After googling "Panthers Newton" and learning new things, she couldn't help herself. Who could?

The Panthers and Newton failed, it's worth noting. 

I personally think it's obnoxious. Malcolm X preached racial separation. The Panthers advocate violence. Against whom? For Huey, it was a cop. Same for Bobby Hutton and Eldridge Cleaver. For others in the "movement", it was the same dummies cheering on Bey, in some cases.

If Beyoncé, in her own arriviste way wants to lay claim to some role as a BLM standard bearer, she does no favors by tying them to a bunch of violent, Internationale humming, Little Red Book carrying racists from nearly 50 years ago. 

I read the Autobiography somewhere around sophomore year in HS. You are referring to Malik el- Shabazz, who in essence "killed" Malcolm X and was then himself killed in turn by Elijah Muhammed's thugs (allegedly).

The individuals I listed, and the incidents involving police shootings, are facts, not conjecture. You can argue about how they went down (reams of literature do just that) and draw your own conclusions, but the fact is the Panthers were violent revolutionaries. Ask Bobby Seale if I'm lying! Not like they were hiding it then or now. 

The fact that they're being touted by pop stars at Super Bowls tells me people have no idea who or what they were.

And the Panthers didn't just scare white people. Not that it's ok if that were the case- threats of racial violence are repellant no matter what- but they scared all sorts of people.

It would seem the difference between the violent revolutionaries Beyoncé was singing about and the violent revolutionaries Lady Gaga was singing about is that Lady Gaga's violent revolutionaries won their war.

  BOOM!  I was just about to ask - when is a revolution NOT violent???  

Martin Luther King, Jr. 

breal said:

never mind the militaristic pole dancing outfits. The BPs did not dress like pole dancers and seemed to be no girls allowed. By the end of the half time show, Beyoncé, Chris Martin, and Bruno Mars were singing a plea for harmony together. That's my take away.  I liked it but I knew they would take a lot of sh*t for being so corny.

Oh, and hats off to Lady Gaga for an excellent rendition of the national anthem. Not since Whitney, sez I. She is just all right with me.

Scores of influential women in the Panthers- from the top of the organization down through the ranks. Their tenure was not always easy and didn't happen without the same BS that women are always subjected to when working with men, but they were there and they were instrumental.

Re Lady Gaga I agree she knocked that out proper.