Beyoncé political statement during the half time Super Bowl

HarleyQuinn said:

imonlysleeping said:

HarleyQuinn said:

TarheelsInNj said:

What part specifically did you see as a political statement?

The song and the act .. 

When I saw her performance I had no idea what it was about until people were pointing it out ... And then it was all over the Internet the details of her performance. Again, I am not criticizing her act or performance. I just think it was not the right event do to so.

You have a bizarre reverence for this ridiculous spectacle. It's grown men in costumes throwing a ball to each other. I could understand where you're coming from if she was performing at a 9/11 memorial or a funeral or a papal mass, but to act like the Super Bowl is some kind of unbreachable public safe zone that must at all costs be protected seems ludicrous. 

Thats the thing .. Some people would agree with you statement but others don't see it that way. They would of rather enjoy one of there favor sport event without the political view. 

But you didn't see the political view while it was happening, right? It was only when people were talking about it after the fact. It seems most people enjoyed it just fine.

actually, I enjoyed that half-time show.   I like Coldplay and I thought they were just fine for the event.   They sang their songs - nothing wrong with that, they were fine.   The Bruno Mars/ Beyonce dance off we fun.   

Overall for a quick set up concert it maybe wasnt the best ever but it was pretty, pretty, pretty, good.

TarheelsInNj said:

HarleyQuinn said:

imonlysleeping said:

HarleyQuinn said:

TarheelsInNj said:

What part specifically did you see as a political statement?

The song and the act .. 

When I saw her performance I had no idea what it was about until people were pointing it out ... And then it was all over the Internet the details of her performance. Again, I am not criticizing her act or performance. I just think it was not the right event do to so.

You have a bizarre reverence for this ridiculous spectacle. It's grown men in costumes throwing a ball to each other. I could understand where you're coming from if she was performing at a 9/11 memorial or a funeral or a papal mass, but to act like the Super Bowl is some kind of unbreachable public safe zone that must at all costs be protected seems ludicrous. 

Thats the thing .. Some people would agree with you statement but others don't see it that way. They would of rather enjoy one of there favor sport event without the political view. 

But you didn't see the political view while it was happening, right? It was only when people were talking about it after the fact. It seems most people enjoyed it just fine.

I wasn't  focusing on the half time (between talking and eating)until someone pointed it out and then read it on the Internet. And yes, maybe most people enjoyed it. 

flimbro said:

tjohn said:

flimbro said:

I think it was a bad game. Coldplay was boring and very fortunate to be there, Beyoncé is not an activist but she is a mediocre singer who is a world class pop star who is also nice to look at and Bruno Mars dances really well for a short dude. That monkeybabypuppy thing was totally unnecessary.

Holy cow.  Did you sit through the whole event?  That must have been excruciating.  I only managed part of the 1st quarter and the 4th quarter.

Yeah I did - it's the Super Bowl, you have to right? Huge Panther fans in my family and I'll admit, I wanted to see what Newton was going to come up with against Manning. Turns out both of them pretty much sucked, just one more than the other.

I don't want to add to redirecting this thread though, so here's another two cents. As far as I'm concerned if you're fighting for your life and or the lives of people that share your station in life, any arena is fair game- streets, malls, neighborhoods, municipal buildings, courtrooms and most definitely football stadiums. The NFL had no problem with Beyonce's song selection or performance. It's not like she just showed up with forty dancers and RVs full of costumes. They and the network and her label were all well aware of the 'message' being presented, they didn't see it for the first time on Sunday afternoon. The point is, corporate America does not sanction or permit real activism so everybody clapping and high giving should take a breath, sit down, resist the pretty diversion and try to keep their eyes on the ball. It's all just commerce disguised as activism. 

As far as cops getting in their feelings about it- tough. If you're a good cop and you don't want to be 'called out' then stop protecting killer cops. If you're not man or woman enough to do that then shut up and take whatever you get.

Fair point - I agree with you   

I couldn't have (and didn't) say it better:

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-daily-show-beyonce-super-bowl-performance-2016-2

HarleyQuinn said:

imonlysleeping said:

There's nothing holy about the Super Bowl. It's a football game. Who cares? Why shouldn't she make whatever statement she wants? Agree with it or don't.

True, but I'm sure most people don't want to see political views while watching the super bowl. It's a huge sport event and people is enjoying themselves. 

Probably the most effective time/place to make a statement is when the most people are watching.  It doesn't mean that people have to agree.  There are plenty of people who don't like to see or hear about politics, but that doesn't mean that such speech should be restricted.

I saw the halftime show. I don't care about football, the super bowl, or halftime shows, but my husband insists on having it on "for the commercials." I didn't notice anything outrageous about the halftime show except for the insane amounts of money spent on it, but that goes for any Super Bowl. 

imonlysleeping said:

You have a bizarre reverence for this ridiculous spectacle. It's grown men in costumes throwing a ball to each other. 

hoops said:

I believe artists have always and will always express their viewpoints through their songs.  If she was making a political statement - like in her video showing the graffiti that says "stop shooting us" - then she is just reflecting the viewpoints of many people.   

I have no problem with it and no problem whatsoever with cops having bad feelings because their misbehavior is called out in the biggest TV event of the year. 

You're right.  After watching the show on YouTube I've concluded that her viewpoint is not so much political as much as a need to wear tight clothes and shake her ass. 

Why does everybody hate Coldplay so much? 

tom said:

Why does everybody hate Coldplay so much? 

Because they really want to be Maroon 5, but in reality they're just Train.

I love singing their songs at karaoke, though, so go figure.

I too like Coldplay but not for the Super Bowl. They didn't even do "Clocks." Sigh.

As for Beyonce, she's an artist and if she wants to make a statement via dance/music, it's her right. As someone stated above, the NFL and CBS had no issue with it. 

Happy that Beyonce is at a level in her career that she can make statements and express her views and not have to worry about her career being effected. 

Giuliani is an angry, divisive man who loves deciphering what he believes is art and freedom of expression via art. Let us not forget his Brooklyn Museum fiasco. 

tom said:

Why does everybody hate Coldplay so much? 

Vapid, musically vacant MOR for boring people who enjoy Jay Leno and vanilla pudding.

I like vanilla pudding. I'm more of a Louis C.K. girl. And I still dig Coldplay. 

imonlysleeping said:

tom said:

Why does everybody hate Coldplay so much? 

Vapid, musically vacant MOR for boring people who enjoy Jay Leno and vanilla pudding.

Whatever. I lost all respect for her after this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/10/nyregion/after-birth-by-beyonce-patients-protest-celebrity-security-at-lenox-hill-hospital.html

I also remember when she demanded that this photo be removed from the entire Internet:

Coldplay haters can turn their radio to a different station, they could  decide to read a book or listen to Mozart or Fetty Wap or Gershwin or whatever.  

I like them, they have some great songs.  

they just should have replayed the national anthem( at halftime)-that was the best part of the whole game.

oots

I hate Leno, but vanilla -- as a flavor -- is highly underrated. It has a natural subtle perfume that's often obliterated by the synthetic crap and excessive sugar they put into most products. 

tom said:

I hate Leno, but vanilla -- as a flavor -- is highly underrated. It has a natural subtle perfume that's often obliterated by the synthetic crap and excessive sugar they put into most products. 

Actually, I'm with you on vanilla. I take that (and only that) back.

hoops said:

Coldplay haters can turn their radio to a different station, they could  decide to read a book or listen to Mozart or Fetty Wap or Gershwin or whatever.  

I like them, they have some great songs.  

Yeah, I generally don't put them on my playlists or buy anything they make because I think they're tired and haven't done anything of note since their second album. I'm pretty sure even Chris Martin has mentioned that before, and claimed they were looking for a new heavier sound, but it's so tempting to just keep going back to that money well isn't it?

Obviously, I'm not alone. Chris Martin wrote a song for Beyonce and she called it "awful". They sent a song to David Bowie and he wrote back saying "It's not a very good song, is it?"

Still, their hearts are in the right places, and they have a good sense of humor about it all, so they'e got that going for them. Also, they can bang out a pretty good pop song, even if they do have to rip-off everyone from Joe Satriani to Peter Allen.

Is Giuliani on Beyoncé's payroll or did he just take the bait? No way he's offended by that performance unless someone tells him he should be. Nobody at the party I was at noticed anything offensive, but we weren't 'warned' to be before hand. Have to give Beyoncé credit, she knows how to manipulate people to get attention.

I'm not a big fan of Beyonce or of Coldplay, but I watched the half-time show and thought "thank god for Beyonce".  

I thought thank God for Beyonce and Bruno Mars.  Poor Chris Martin jumping up and down white rocker style was severely outclassed on the talent front.

People were actually able to hear the lyrics?

I think the fact that an old washed-up conservative white guy is upset over this kinda confirms that she did something right. Instead of condemning her Black Panther "salute" he should be asking why it resonates so strongly with many Americans.

TigerLilly said:

I think the fact that an old washed-up conservative white guy is upset over this kinda confirms that she did something right. Instead of condemning her Black Panther "salute" he should be asking why it resonates so strongly with many Americans.

He will never ask that

Yes! It is not Beyonce who has an agenda. She is speaking about current events and feels powerless about certain situations as many Americans do. It is Giuliani who has an agenda. As he usually does.

TigerLilly said:

I think the fact that an old washed-up conservative white guy is upset over this kinda confirms that she did something right. Instead of condemning her Black Panther "salute" he should be asking why it resonates so strongly with many Americans.

TigerLilly said:

I think the fact that an old washed-up conservative white guy is upset over this kinda confirms that she did something right. Instead of condemning her Black Panther "salute" he should be asking why it resonates so strongly with many Americans.

This. If Giuliani protests anything, that's a good sign to me that it is very likely something I agree with. The man is a whiny ass.

ridski said:

hoops said:

Coldplay haters can turn their radio to a different station, they could  decide to read a book or listen to Mozart or Fetty Wap or Gershwin or whatever.  

I like them, they have some great songs.  

Yeah, I generally don't put them on my playlists or buy anything they make because I think they're tired and haven't done anything of note since their second album. I'm pretty sure even Chris Martin has mentioned that before, and claimed they were looking for a new heavier sound, but it's so tempting to just keep going back to that money well isn't it?

Obviously, I'm not alone. Chris Martin wrote a song for Beyonce and she called it "awful". They sent a song to David Bowie and he wrote back saying "It's not a very good song, is it?"

Still, their hearts are in the right places, and they have a good sense of humor about it all, so they'e got that going for them. Also, they can bang out a pretty good pop song, even if they do have to rip-off everyone from Joe Satriani to Peter Allen.

I get that, and thats the whole reason for their popularity.   Underestimating the power of a good pop song doesnt make for a more discerning critic.  Its ok, I know to some,  theres disappointment in what they could have been as opposed to what they are.

To me they're entertainment and several of their songs reach into greatness as far as I'm concerned.

hoops said:

ridski said:

hoops said:

Coldplay haters can turn their radio to a different station, they could  decide to read a book or listen to Mozart or Fetty Wap or Gershwin or whatever.  

I like them, they have some great songs.  

Yeah, I generally don't put them on my playlists or buy anything they make because I think they're tired and haven't done anything of note since their second album. I'm pretty sure even Chris Martin has mentioned that before, and claimed they were looking for a new heavier sound, but it's so tempting to just keep going back to that money well isn't it?

Obviously, I'm not alone. Chris Martin wrote a song for Beyonce and she called it "awful". They sent a song to David Bowie and he wrote back saying "It's not a very good song, is it?"

Still, their hearts are in the right places, and they have a good sense of humor about it all, so they'e got that going for them. Also, they can bang out a pretty good pop song, even if they do have to rip-off everyone from Joe Satriani to Peter Allen.

I get that, and thats the whole reason for their popularity.   Underestimating the power of a good pop song doesnt make for a more discerning critic.  Its ok, I know to some,  theres disappointment in what they could have been as opposed to what they are.

To me they're entertainment and several of their songs reach into greatness as far as I'm concerned.

Well, to be fair, I'm answering the question "Why does everybody hate Coldplay so much?" and outlined a bunch of reasons. But it's fine to like them, and as you pointed out it's easy not to listen to them if you don't. 

See, I don't think they CAN write a great pop song. Their stuff is all tuneless mush as far as I can tell. You know what's a great freaking pop song? "Single Ladies."