White House Denies Report that Trump Demanded Carriage for UK State Visit

If Trump rides in the royal carriage with the Queen let's hope he has sense enough not to grope her.


huffpo.com:  White House Denies Report that Trump Wants Lavish Carriage for UK State Visit

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...


"The Queen is a fantastic lady, very classy.  She congratulated me on my Electoral College win, said it was a great win.  She's been so wonderful to me, wished me nothing but the best.  She's a great queen."



DottyParker said:

If Trump rides in the royal carriage with the Queen let's hope he has sense enough not to grope her.




huffpo.com:  White House Denies Report that Trump Wants Lavish Carriage for UK State Visit

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

I'm so glad they found a replacement carriage for the Donald.


Looks as if Trump may not get his ride in the Queen's gold carriage after all.  His state visit to Great Britain is called off due to concerns about mass protests. 


theguardian.com:  Donald Trump's State Visit to Britain Put on Hold

"Donald Trump has told Theresa May in a phone call he does not want to go ahead with a state visit to Britain until the British public supports him coming.  The US president said he did not want to come if there were large-scale protests and his remarks in effect put the visit on hold for some time."

https://www.theguardian.com/us...


Easy to believe his demand since he refused to walk on last Euro trip and rode behind legitimate world leaders in a golf cart. He's 70, overweight, and eats crap regularly. So, while he's a national embarrassment, his health offers some hope he may "exit" early.



GL2 said:

Easy to believe his demand since he refused to walk on last Euro trip and rode behind legitimate world leaders in a golf cart. He's 70, overweight, and eats crap regularly. So, while he's a national embarrassment, his health offers some hope he may "exit" early.

^^Trump's health challenges will be further compounded by the stresses of a meat grinding, years long "Russia-gate" investigation:  


nytimes.com:  David Brooks:  It's Not the Crime, It's the Culture 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/0...


"These investigations will take a White House that is already acidic and turn it sulfuric."  

"If past is prologue, this investigation will drag on for a while.  The Clinton people thought the Whitewater investigation might last six months, but the inquiries lasted over seven years."  

"This investigation will ruin careers far and wide.  Investigators go after anybody they think can yield information on the president.  This investigation will swallow up day-to-day life."

"Everybody will be affected. Betty Currie, Bill Clinton's personal secretary, finally refused to mention the names of young White House employees to the investigators because every time she mentioned a name, the kid would get a subpoena, which meant thousands of dollars of ruinous legal fees."



DottyParker said:

Looks as if Trump may not get his ride in the Queen's gold carriage after all.  

Riding in a Golden Carriage with a queen.  After Trump's trip to Russia, he may have been expecting something slightly different.


Brits plan "Show Your Rump to Trump" protests.  NSFW warning:  Near the end of the page, at the link below, there is an actual pic of at least three female bottoms exposed at a previous mooning.  Stay tuned.  This could be an incentive for Trump to go to the UK after all.  Mass mooning meets the Mass Groper-in-Chief  grrr


newshub.co.nz:  Britons Plan Mass Mooning for Trump Visit

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/...



DottyParker said:

Brits plan "Show Your Rump to Trump" protests.  NSFW warning:  Near the end of the page, at the link below, there is an actual pic of at least three female bottoms exposed at a previous mooning.  Stay tuned.  This could be an incentive for Trump to go to the UK after all.  Mass mooning meets the Mass Groper-in-Chief  grrr




newshub.co.nz:  Britons Plan Mass Mooning for Trump Visit

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/...

Hah! Show your Rump to Trump.  Perfect!


there had been earlier calls (early last week) for May or for the Palace to find some tactful way to indefinitely postpone the visit, for the significant safety risks his presence poses for the Royal Family (especially for the Queen herself). So even if he had arrived on his State Visit, I imagine that Her Majesty would have been unwell and unable to welcome him to any of her official homes. Possibly gastro or a summer flu spreading through the entire Royal Family, so awkward... cheese


theguardian.com:  Protesters Vow to take to the Streets as UK Braces for Snap Trump Visit

Anti-Donald Trump protesters are preparing to spring into action at short notice after it emerged that Downing Street is braced for a snap visit from the US president in the next two weeks.

A formal state visit, which was expected to take place over the summer after Theresa May extended an invitation personally when she visited the White House late last year, was postponed last month amid fears that it could be disrupted by mass protests.  But Whitehall sources confirmed that government had now been warned that the president could visit Turnberry, his golf resort in Scotland, during his trip to Europe, between attending the G20 summit in Hamburg next weekend and joining celebrations for Bastille Day in France on 14 July.

 https://www.theguardian.com/us...



theguardian.com:  If Trump tries a 'Sneak' Visit to Britain, he will see how much he is despised


(This is why) any visit outside this protected space in which Trump is not absolute ruler is fraught with difficulty. He is openly mocked and hated. Activists have said that even with only 24 hours’ notice of a visit they will organise mass protests. Stop Trump. Many are on standby, so strongly do they feel. It is important that America sees that its leader is not just unwelcome but absolutely despised. He is not revered as a strongman, he is seen as an unstable despotic loser. The name of America is tarnished at home and abroad. We already know that whatever happens, Trump will invent his own reality in which he is loved and cherished and all-powerful. But protest can provide another narrative, another set of images that will undermine everything he says.

It is imperative to protest against both Trump’s presence and Trump’s lies. Any collusion by this government in these lies is shameful. He is not welcome in our name, however he plans to “sneak” in.


https://www.theguardian.com/co...



Donald Trump's Moment of Zen   cheese 

Pic below of President Obama's state dinner with Queen Elizabeth, which was held at Buckingham Palace in May, 2011.  Presidents Obama and George W. Bush are the only two American presidents accorded a state visit to Great Britain in the sixty plus years of the Queen's reign.  Obama did not ride in the Queen's gold carriage, but rode in the armored POTUS vehicle.  I'm not certain, but I don't think Bush rode in the coach either.  


I'm sure Her Majesty will never countenance a visit from His Hindquarter-ness.



fairplay said:

I'm sure Her Majesty will never countenance a visit from His Hindquarter-ness.

 grrr 


It is lost on Trump that the golden coach ride isn't something to be summoned like an Uber or a limo. Often the only response to a faux pas is radio silence.   grrr 


Russian President Vladimir Putin Rides with Queen Elizabeth II


He should stick to places where there are no protests against him such as Saudi Arabia. He should not go where he is not wanted, like New Jersey.


His presence, currently, is a threat to Her Majesty's safety given the recent terrorist activity. Their being anywhere near each other would be strongly discouraged by everyone in intelligence and security. If he's not listening, he's a bigger idiot than anyone's imagined. 

Her Majesty has great worries on her mind, including the health of her husband who was recently hospitalised. Your president should have the decency to leave older people alone until he invited by them (not silly politicians who will be booted out if they sneeze the wrong way).

For heavens sake: in France, they've caught a man planning to assassinate Macron on Bastille Day. Is Trump yearning to become a martyr??? If so he can do it on your soil.


Joanne, I wish we could repair Trump's stupidity. Unfortunately, even if we all got together and contacted trump en masse, we would have no influence. Of course, most of us here agree with you.



(Sorry, had to go out)

I just wish someone could convince him he's safer "at home". 

I've been trying to clarify what exactly it is that galls me so much about this reported visit, why I'm so aghast and angry. And yes, I'm angry even though I'm not really a royalist. (I'm not an active republican either - I'm a lazy Aussie who figures what we have mostly works, so don't mess with it, just give people who aren't recognised equal rights, and fix Australia  Day) I'm angry because of the rudeness and crassness, the immense ego that blocks out any manners or deference or simple courtesy to strangers who are much older than you and your hosts let alone the ultimate in foreign power. 

This isn't dropping in on a neighbour to borrow a cup of sugar, nor to introduce yourself to the neighbourhood. It's angling for PR, and it's bloody rude. It's the cheapest form of working the Royal court, and everyone over there would not only be aware of such manoeuvres, they probably have many strategies in place on how to protect the Royal Family from users and social climbers so obvious. To persist in such political and self-aggrandising plotting when it's obvious you're not welcome, when the person who invited you is clearly preoccupied, when the Royal Family themselves are busy and preoccupied and when the nation is on high alert AND when you yourself keep carrying on about unsavoury terrorism everywhere around us, is simply double-daring someone to 'start something' so you can gleefully turnaround and say 'see - I told you this would happen! Why doesn't anyone listen to me?!'. 

It's one thing to not be a politician, or a diplomat, to be a man of the people and to become President. Ordinary people marry into royal families. It's totally another matter to build the universe around you, insist everyone changes their plans to suit you and glorify you, even if that means sticking a bulls-eye target on them, their families and their employees. (I'd love Prince Philip to say something pithy, but now he's retired I guess that wouldn't happen anyway. Everyone else is waaaaaaay too polite)

I'm sorry for going on. It's just - this isn't the time for a visit, even if he were on great terms with everyone. And he's clearly not. So: just stay away. 


DottyParker said:

theguardian.com:  If Trump tries a 'Sneak' Visit to Britain, he will see how much he is despised

(This is why) any visit outside this protected space in which Trump is not absolute ruler is fraught with difficulty. He is openly mocked and hated. Activists have said that even with only 24 hours’ notice of a visit they will organise mass protests. Stop Trump. Many are on standby, so strongly do they feel. It is important that America sees that its leader is not just unwelcome but absolutely despised. He is not revered as a strongman, he is seen as an unstable despotic loser. The name of America is tarnished at home and abroad. We already know that whatever happens, Trump will invent his own reality in which he is loved and cherished and all-powerful. But protest can provide another narrative, another set of images that will undermine everything he says.

It is imperative to protest against both Trump’s presence and Trump’s lies. Any collusion by this government in these lies is shameful. He is not welcome in our name, however he plans to “sneak” in.

https://www.theguardian.com/co...

This is what WE should be doing in the U.S. Americans are so apathetic. Millions of us should be in D.C. every day.


The indignity you feel at the idea of him visiting the Queen is the same indignity we feel at the idea of him staining the White House. The man-baby is an affront to all that is decent in this world. 



joanne said:

(Sorry, had to go out)

I just wish someone could convince him he's safer "at home". 


Are you kidding?  When he went on his Middle East tour we were trying to figure out if there was a way to prevent him from re-entering the US.  We sure as hell don't want him here. 


The man has the launch codes for thousands of nuclear weapons, each of which is dozens of times more powerful than the bomb that destroyed Hiroshima. 

No one is safe. 



GoSlugs said:

The man has the launch codes for thousands of nuclear weapons, each of which is dozens of times more powerful than the bomb that destroyed Hiroshima. 

No one is safe. 

I think the military has psychologists who realize this and are preparing accordingly. They have families too, and don't want him to destroy everyone. They can and will stop.him, I think. I mean, psychologically. I bet they know what's going on. Well, i hope.


in fact, i think his "tweets" are a cry for help. He knows he can't play toy soldiers now, manipulating, "winging it," and knows enough to know he's not really up to the job of negotiating for peace. He needs help, and we all are aware of that, including our government. 




if you watch horror movies, it's strangely soothing, by comparison.


@joanne, please do go on. I've never seen you like this, and it is entirely appropriate.



joanne said:


I'm sorry for going on. It's just - this isn't the time for a visit, even if he were on great terms with everyone. And he's clearly not. So: just stay away. 

Your comments, which enlightened me, are are of enormous value.  


good morning!

Wasn't the full Declaration of Independence enlightening? (Never mind the reaction) Thank you, MOL, for the opportuniy to study it real-time. 

Thinking about the implications in the context of this thread was also quite enlightening. In so many ways, this current President does not appear to embody the core values of your nation. And he's way too eager to seek favour and honours from the non-democratic head of the very nation from which distanced yourself so pointedly. Further, this head of state is also the head of the church in her nation so whether or not the UK officially believes in the Divine Right of Kings, it's practising this Doctrine - which is anathema to the USA. Which part of any of that can't your Republican Party understand??

It was soothing this morning to read of, and see a photo of, Justin Trudeau's respectful and quiet visit with Her Majesty in Scotland. Totally befitting a Commonwealth head of state consulting with her. 

(I need to go to work)


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