The Rose Garden and White House happenings: Listening to voters’ concerns

mtierney said:

I am reporting hard facts only


No, you are not. 


DaveSchmidt said:

The report also says the 686 recorded deaths were a 6 percent decline from the previous year (though still high compared with even earlier years).

If it’s all the same to you, mtierney, I’ll try to stick with fact messengers who pick up the context, too, and don’t let themselves get carried away so easily, or so eagerly.

I guess it is a comfort to some Democrats that the death count is “steady” even as the numbers of migrants making the journey escalates by the day.

BTW, this is a hidden gem in today’s reportage! Where has this entity, IOM,  been hiding in the jungles of South America?. Who funds it?  Are the other sending 70 migrant countries worldwide receiving guidance on how to enter the USA legally, or illegally? 

“These numbers reflect the fatal consequences of the lack of safe and regular mobility options. IOM works with governments and stakeholders in the Americas to develop regular, safe and dignified pathways for migrants.”


I shall spend some time today learning more about IOM.


mtierney said:

DaveSchmidt said:

The report also says the 686 recorded deaths were a 6 percent decline from the previous year (though still high compared with even earlier years).

If it’s all the same to you, mtierney, I’ll try to stick with fact messengers who pick up the context, too, and don’t let themselves get carried away so easily, or so eagerly.

I guess it is a comfort to some Democrats that the death count is “steady” even as the numbers of migrants making the journey escalates by the day.

BTW, this is a hidden gem in today’s reportage! Where has this entity, IOM,  been hiding in the jungles of South America?. Who funds it?  Are the other sending 70 migrant countries worldwide receiving guidance on how to enter the USA legally, or illegally? 

“These numbers reflect the fatal consequences of the lack of safe and regular mobility options. IOM works with governments and stakeholders in the Americas to develop regular, safe and dignified pathways for migrants.”

I shall spend some time today learning more about IOM.

what would be your problem with migrants entering the U.S. legally?


Here is IOM..

New York / Geneva - The International Organization for Migration will launch its flagship report Leveraging Human Mobility to Rescue the 2030 Agenda tomorrow calling for bold commitments and transformative actions on human mobility.

“As the world faces multiple crises, the SDG Summit is a moment of truth and reckoning for the international community,” IOM Director General, António Vitorino said on the eve of the Sustainable Development Goal Summit during the UN General Assembly in New York City.

“Human mobility in all its dimensions is essential to our efforts to end poverty, protect the planet and ensure that all people enjoy peace and prosperity. We see it every day, and everywhere. People on the move are a cornerstone of development, innovation, prosperity and progress.”

At the mid-way point of the 2030 Agenda, the promise to Leave No One Behind and achieve the SDGs is in peril, and our ways of working are inadequate. People on the move can be part of the solution. IOM’s report, released as part of the SDG Action Weekend, developed in partnership with recognized research entities, provides clear evidence that unequivocally shows that migration supports sustainable development.

The report calls upon all politicians, practitioners and changemakers to:

  • Extend social protection and universal health coverage to all;
  • Further develop safe and regular migration pathways;
  • Reduce remittances transaction costs;
  • Listen to, and include migrants’ voices into national and local development plans;
  • To invest in their skills development and recognize their qualifications and competences;
  • Reduce the digital access gap for people on the move, and
  • Invest in means to address loss and damages, reduce conflict and climate induced displacement.

The sobering picture of the reversal of progress towards achieving the SDGs is a wake-up call demanding Member States redouble their efforts and utilize every available solution to overcome the multiple crises facing our communities. None of today’s challenges, from climate change to conflict, can be tackled effectively without considering human mobility. The evidence is clear.

The SDG Summit is the venue for Member States, local governments, youth and others to identify concrete commitments to ensure that human mobility is a central element of the Rescue Plan for the SDGs.

We need action. And we need it now.

***

For more information please contact:

New York:
Cécile Riallant, Head, Sustainable Development Unit, Tel: + +41 79 766 84 38, criallant@iom.int

Geneva:
Paul Dillon, Spokesperson, Tel: +41 79 636 9874, pdillon@iom.int



mtierney said:

Here is IOM..

New York / Geneva - The International Organization for Migration will launch its flagship report Leveraging Human Mobility to Rescue the 2030 Agenda tomorrow calling for bold commitments and transformative actions on human mobility.

“As the world faces multiple crises, the SDG Summit is a moment of truth and reckoning for the international community,” IOM Director General, António Vitorino said on the eve of the Sustainable Development Goal Summit during the UN General Assembly in New York City.

“Human mobility in all its dimensions is essential to our efforts to end poverty, protect the planet and ensure that all people enjoy peace and prosperity. We see it every day, and everywhere. People on the move are a cornerstone of development, innovation, prosperity and progress.”

At the mid-way point of the 2030 Agenda, the promise to Leave No One Behind and achieve the SDGs is in peril, and our ways of working are inadequate. People on the move can be part of the solution. IOM’s report, released as part of the SDG Action Weekend, developed in partnership with recognized research entities, provides clear evidence that unequivocally shows that migration supports sustainable development.

The report calls upon all politicians, practitioners and changemakers to:

  • Extend social protection and universal health coverage to all;
  • Further develop safe and regular migration pathways;
  • Reduce remittances transaction costs;
  • Listen to, and include migrants’ voices into national and local development plans;
  • To invest in their skills development and recognize their qualifications and competences;
  • Reduce the digital access gap for people on the move, and
  • Invest in means to address loss and damages, reduce conflict and climate induced displacement.

The sobering picture of the reversal of progress towards achieving the SDGs is a wake-up call demanding Member States redouble their efforts and utilize every available solution to overcome the multiple crises facing our communities. None of today’s challenges, from climate change to conflict, can be tackled effectively without considering human mobility. The evidence is clear.

The SDG Summit is the venue for Member States, local governments, youth and others to identify concrete commitments to ensure that human mobility is a central element of the Rescue Plan for the SDGs.

We need action. And we need it now.

***

For more information please contact:

New York:
Cécile Riallant, Head, Sustainable Development Unit, Tel: + +41 79 766 84 38, criallant@iom.int

Geneva:
Paul Dillon, Spokesperson, Tel: +41 79 636 9874, pdillon@iom.int

seems like a very Christ-like agenda. I assume you are pretty strongly supportive of it, as a devout Catholic yourself.


mtierney said:

I shall spend some time today learning more about IOM.

The wiser order is this: Learn more about an organization first; cite it second.


DaveSchmidt said:

mtierney said:

I shall spend some time today learning more about IOM.

The wiser order is this: Learn more about an organization first; cite it second.

Good advice, but I never heard mention of it before yesterday. Had you?


mtierney said:

Only held first meeting last month..one of the goal is universal health! UNIVERSAL!

https://migrationnetwork.un.org/civil-society-and-governments-meet-first-regional-forum-un-network-migration-latin-america-and

what's your problem with that? Do you have Medicare? 


mtierney said:

Good advice, but I never heard mention of it before yesterday. Had you?

Yes you have.

ETA: I told you about them back in January.

https://maplewood.worldwebs.com/forums/discussion/what-is-being-said-in-the-rose-garden-what-s-happening-in-washington?page=next&limit=32100#discussion-replies-3567502


mtierney said:

Only held first meeting last month..one of the goal is universal health! UNIVERSAL!

https://migrationnetwork.un.org/civil-society-and-governments-meet-first-regional-forum-un-network-migration-latin-america-and

This is not the first meeting of the IOM, which was established in 1951.


LOL!  This is all too funny. Thanks guys!   oh oh


ridski said:

mtierney said:

Only held first meeting last month..one of the goal is universal health! UNIVERSAL!

https://migrationnetwork.un.org/civil-society-and-governments-meet-first-regional-forum-un-network-migration-latin-america-and

This is not the first meeting of the IOM, which was established in 1951.

That messenger just blew her tip.


ridski said:

Yes you have.

ETA: I told you about them back in January.

https://maplewood.worldwebs.com/forums/discussion/what-is-being-said-in-the-rose-garden-what-s-happening-in-washington?page=next&limit=32100#discussion-replies-3567502

more evidence that she doesn’t read anyone’s posts. All she’s concerned with is posting siht to aggravate people. 


ridski said:

mtierney said:

Good advice, but I never heard mention of it before yesterday. Had you?

Yes you have.

ETA: I told you about them back in January.

https://maplewood.worldwebs.com/forums/discussion/what-is-being-said-in-the-rose-garden-what-s-happening-in-washington?page=next&limit=32100#discussion-replies-3567502

OK, so mtierney didn't read your post. But even more striking is that she apparently didn't read everything in her own comment, which linked to the story about IOM.

explains a lot


That's not news. The Pope Francis thread is a collection of documents and articles she either doesn't read or completely misunderstands.


PVW said:

That's not news. The Pope Francis thread is a collection of documents and articles she either doesn't read or completely misunderstands.

yeah, no.

I mostly avoid that thread. Maybe it's my Catholic education PTSD.


ml1 said:

yeah, no.

I mostly avoid that thread. Maybe it's my Catholic education PTSD.

tl;dr -- she'll post something there from the pope or the bishops that directly goes against what she posts here. Usually won't acknowledge this, but if pressed will insist it says the opposite of what it does.

Eg, she recently posted a statement by Pope Francis condemning the " 'fanaticism of indifference' toward migrants" and tried to argue that this supported her vicious anti-migrant views.


PVW said:

tl;dr -- she'll post something there from the pope or the bishops that directly goes against what she posts here. Usually won't acknowledge this, but if pressed will insist it says the opposite of what it does.

Eg, she recently posted a statement by Pope Francis condemning the " 'fanaticism of indifference' toward migrants" and tried to argue that this supported her vicious anti-migrant views.

It can be pretty funny over there (in a dark way).  My favorite was when ToTR suggested that Pervy Pell, the well known Australian child molester who was also a Prince of the Church, be made a Saint.


PVW said:

ml1 said:

yeah, no.

I mostly avoid that thread. Maybe it's my Catholic education PTSD.

tl;dr -- she'll post something there from the pope or the bishops that directly goes against what she posts here. Usually won't acknowledge this, but if pressed will insist it says the opposite of what it does.

Eg, she recently posted a statement by Pope Francis condemning the " 'fanaticism of indifference' toward migrants" and tried to argue that this supported her vicious anti-migrant views.

I have to believe that Jesus had no use for national borders. Or has no use for them if one believes he's still living his life everlasting.


ml1 said:

I have to believe that Jesus had no use for national borders. Or has no use for them if one believes he's still living his life everlasting.

he also believed in healing everyone… I couldn’t help but notice her all caps when talking about universal healthcare…


The emphasized caps caught the jaundiced eyes of a few posters, so let me explain that  I capped that word in order for folks —who might not realize IOM’s goal is for  health care for every single human being on the globe — be made aware.

Try to really imagine a universe in which each and every individual receives medical care —  free, mostly, but those who can pay in,  I imagine, will be complaining. 

Maybe New Jersey’s gold-bar-hoarding Menendez can teach us how he accumulated vast amounts of wealth as a public servant?



mtierney said:


Maybe New Jersey’s gold-bar-hoarding Menendez can teach us how he accumulated vast amounts of wealth as a public servant?

On that topic -- funny, isn't it, how I can find plenty of Democrats, here and elsewhere, condemning Melendez and urging him to resign, and yet I can't see anything by you, and precious little by any Republican at all, condemning corruption when it happens on the Republican side. Why is that, do you think?


Don’t know about this “Melendez”crooked pol, but, let’s be honest, Dems have an historic run on the issue. 


mtierney said:

Try to really imagine a universe in which each and every individual receives medical care —  free, mostly, but those who can pay in,  I imagine, will be complaining. 



Why should it not be an aspiration for every person to have access to health care? 


That’s not universal health care. 
Universal health care is when everyone in a particular nation is covered by public health policy and care - free or low cost if necessary - especially in order to keep population health costs down. Because this encourages the practice of preventive health care, rather than ‘just in time’ or (even worse) the treating of adverse health events only and only when citizens can afford it.

I’m proud to point out that, depending on circumstances, UK and US citizens visiting Australia can access our universal health programs as visitors to the country. Not in all cases, but some. And you don’t have to attend a hospital for most things; a friendly neighbourhood general practice should be able to assist you. 
For my cancer treatment, I just paid busfares. 
With my current broken arm, which required ambulances, surgery, 24 hours in hospital, multiple scans and X-rays, and physical therapy, I’m just paying busfares. 
What’s wrong with universal health????


I’m just going to add to the above: a couple of months ago I reached what we call the prescription ‘safety net’. This means I’ve spent so much on prescription meds for the average person of my age here, that I now qualify to get a very hefty discount for the rest of the year. As in, most of my meds cost me around $1.00 if that. What am I taking?
Three meds to try to prevent my migraines, 

2 to limit their duration, 

1 hormone blocker to control my breast cancer, 

a monthly injection for my Crohns, 

an antidepressant that limits the side effects of the mix of the other meds,

2 different anti-histamines daily, for my over-enthusiastic immune system (MCAD).

Not much, but it looks dire. My vaccinations are free, most of my doctors’ consultations are free or low-cost (what we call ‘bulk billed’, I get most of the fee rebated).

Yesterday I was told I can start aquatherapy, which my city council supports at my local gym pool - for $7.50 a session. 

My David needs his insulin 3 times a day; asthma meds several times a day, and more. Plus dementia runs in his family, and he’s a strong candidate. Of course, he’s also on safety net now, too. Safety net helps us afford our meds, so we can keep taking them and keep healthy, preventing worse conditions that would clog up our already over-crowded hospitals. 
We all pay a reasonable Medicare levy with our taxes each year - I think I paid $26 this year since I’m no longer working. I’m seeing 3 specialists next week, and will pay just under $800 all up, but get almost 2/3 back. 
We have free mammograms, bowel cancer checks, free hearing checks, vaccination programs, heart health checks, annual home medication reviews (how you keep your meds, what’s outdated, what’s interacting etc)…  Again: what’s wrong with universal health care?


ml1 said:

mtierney said:

Try to really imagine a universe in which each and every individual receives medical care —  free, mostly, but those who can pay in,  I imagine, will be complaining. 



Why should it not be an aspiration for every person to have access to health care? 

I don't have to imagine that universe, as I live in it.  No one complains and most people pay nothing in taxes. Government revenue comes mostly in the form of stamp duty on property sales, leases, and auctioning land parcels to developers. And there's a flat 15% income tax filled out on one single page online. 5 minutes to do.  No capital gains tax.  Oh, there's also private health care system that runs parallel to the excellent public system and, with a patient's permission, data can be shared between the two systems. Visitors pay more than locals, but a lot less than US extortion pricing (insurance company gouging). Did I mention no forms to fill out on visits? Getting appointments the next day?  No long waits at the doc's office? Free meds?


mtierney said:

Don’t know about this “Melendez”crooked pol, but, let’s be honest, Dems have an historic run on the issue. 

Judge Rules Trump Committed Fraud, Stripping Control of Key Properties (NYT)


dave said:

I don't have to imagine that universe, as I live in it.  No one complains and most people pay nothing in taxes. Government revenue comes mostly in the form of stamp duty on property sales, leases, and auctioning land parcels to developers. And there's a flat 15% income tax filled out on one single page online. 5 minutes to do.  No capital gains tax.  Oh, there's also private health care system that runs parallel to the excellent public system and, with a patient's permission, data can be shared between the two systems. Visitors pay more than locals, but a lot less than US extortion pricing (insurance company gouging). Did I mention no forms to fill out on visits? Getting appointments the next day?  No long waits at the doc's office? Free meds?

Sounds nice, Dave, but you would have to live in Hong Kong, right?


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