Tulsi Gabbard: Trump Stay Out of Venezuela
Agreed. The U.S. should work with the OAS on a joint response to the Venezuela mess. If we take any sort of direct action or if we stop buying Venezuelan oil, I think it will only hurt most Venezuelans.
Did anyone else see what she did in the first Tweet Paul posted?
That's some next level shade throwing right there.
Here's another reason why Trump's action on Venezuela is so dangerous, and why Tulsi's leadership is so important:
https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1088531560926711811
mrincredible said:
Did anyone else see what she did in the first Tweet Paul posted?
That's some next level shade throwing right there.
hmm. are you saying she believes in the anti-Russia hysteria about election interference?
wonder how her local MOL fans feel about that?
drummerboy said:
mrincredible said:hmm. are you saying she believes in the anti-Russia hysteria about election interference?
Did anyone else see what she did in the first Tweet Paul posted?
That's some next level shade throwing right there.
wonder how her local MOL fans feel about that?
I'm not saying she doesn't believe it(I actually have no idea). But you wouldn't need to buy into the hysteria to make that point.
terp said:
drummerboy said:I'm not saying she doesn't believe it(I actually have no idea). But you wouldn't need to buy into the hysteria to make that point.
mrincredible said:hmm. are you saying she believes in the anti-Russia hysteria about election interference?
Did anyone else see what she did in the first Tweet Paul posted?
That's some next level shade throwing right there.
wonder how her local MOL fans feel about that?
And whether or not she believes it, the point also exposes the hypocrisy (to put it mildly) of those condemning "Russian meddling," who have embraced Trump's attempt to overthrow a foreign government.
An open letter by many Latin American scholars and others in opposition to Trump's attempt to overthrow the Venezuelan government:
My only disagreement with the letter is that it refers to Trump ally, Brazil's new President Bolsonaro as "far-right." He goes beyond that description. He's a fascist.
I don't get what the LGBTQ quote had to do with Venezuela? Curious about the context between LGBTQ and Venzuela. Or will this quote need to be added in every Gabbard thread?
What is Trump's endgame with Venezuela? Why is he screwing around with that mess?
jamie said:
I don't get what the LGBTQ quote had to do with Venezuela? Curious about the context between LGBTQ and Venzuela. Or will this quote need to be added in every Gabbard thread?
Not related to Venezuela. I just elaborated (in 3 continuous comments) on why I support Tulsi for her leadership on Peace, Justice and Climate Action.
yahooyahoo said:
What is Trump's endgame with Venezuela? Why is he screwing around with that mess?
My guess is that Trump has been advised that the military would defect and join the coup, like they did in Chile. It could be that the Trump-Bolton-Pompeo cabal has intelligence to that effect, or it could be that it's an assumption. Pompeo called on the military to defect right after Trump recognized Guaido. The end game is likely restoring the primacy of the wealthy class, eliminating income transfers and social programs for the poor, and privatizing the world's largest proven oil reserves.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/24/world/americas/venezuela-news-maduro-russia.html
Russia has military equipment and bombers that can reach the USA already in Venezuela. The Chinese have been sneaky in getting Maduro to pay them with oil, because he's out of cash, while they quietly buy up the real estate. The Iranians are in there. The North Koreans are getting oil from there. Hezbollah is in there and just used a suicide bomber in Bogota Colombia. Maduro has ties to the guerillas in Colombia. This is the biggest drug cartel operating right now. The Cubans control maiquetia the international airport. There are Cuban military personnel within the Venezuelan military.
Venezuela is not only rich in oil, steel and aluminum resources are bountiful. The real magnet for Putin and the Chinese is the gold. Venezuela is the richest country in South America. The mistake they made was believing in a two party system of democracy, while the corrupted politicians robbed the Treasury. Chavez was the hero of the people who were marginalized for decades. And if course Fidel took him under his wings, schooled him on how to control the masses. Chavez saved Cuba from economic disaster by giving them free oil and gas.
It's a bit too late now for America to intervene. This could be another Syria in our backyard. Obama ignored it. Trump hinted at it, but they know what they are up against.
Jaytee said:
It's a bit too late now for America to intervene. This could be another Syria in our backyard. Obama ignored it. Trump hinted at it, but they know what they are up against.
And on what basis would we have intervened?
Having said that, if we invade Venezuela, Russia and China won't help Venezuela. Russia would use our actions to justify actions in Ukraine or, perhaps, the Baltics. China would also take some action closer to home.
tjohn said:
Jaytee said:And on what basis would we have intervened?
It's a bit too late now for America to intervene. This could be another Syria in our backyard. Obama ignored it. Trump hinted at it, but they know what they are up against.
Having said that, if we invade Venezuela, Russia and China won't help Venezuela. Russia would use our actions to justify actions in Ukraine or, perhaps, the Baltics. China would also take some action closer to home.
We could have intervened since Chavez started killing his opposition. The Venezuelan people have been begging for help from the US for years. It wouldn't have looked good on us, but it didn't look good on us also when we went into Grenada. It has to be swift and decisive. We saved Grenada from this same fate. The Cubans have been spreading their tentacles throughout the Caribbean and South America unchecked for years now. Panama is next after Nicaragua. If the Russians and Chinese take control of the Panama canal through their proxy puppets they install, we're screwed. But they have no respect for Trump. They own him. We're in trouble, even more trouble than we realize. All because of this idiot who sold his soul to the devil for money.
I don't watch cable news so I am out of the loop on somethings. Is there much (or any) Dem support for Trump on Venezuela?
Klinker said:
I don't watch cable news so I am out of the loop on somethings. Is there much (or any) Dem support for Trump on Venezuela?
The ranking Democrat on the Foreign Affairs Committee:
New Jersey should be ashamed.
paulsurovell said:
Klinker said:The ranking Democrat on the Foreign Affairs Committee:
I don't watch cable news so I am out of the loop on somethings. Is there much (or any) Dem support for Trump on Venezuela?
https://www.foreign.senate.gov/press/ranking/release/menendez-rubio-joint-statement-in-support-of-venezuelas-interim-president_
New Jersey should be ashamed.
Why. I have no problem being highly critical of the Maduro regime and I have no problem with applying intense political pressure especially if it is more or less in line with most of the OAS member states. I suppose it is a bit of gamble as I would not support any sort of military action.
But it is a fact that Chavez and Maduro have inflicted great harm and suffering on the Venezuelan people.
The ranking Democrat on the House Foreign Affairs Committee
https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/2019/1/engel-statement-on-venezuela
The ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee (and also the most persistent voice against foreign interference in our politics)
Paul,
He's not the "Ranking Democrat", he's the Chairman. The Dems now have the Majority. It's the Minority Party that has a "Ranking" member.
It is my understanding that the head of the National Assembly has proclaimed himself President on the grounds that Maduro's election was a fraud.
If the US position is to agree with that is it not precedent for Nancy Pelosi to declare herself President of the United States?
STANV said:
It is my understanding that the head of the National Assembly has proclaimed himself President on the grounds that Maduro's election was a fraud.
If the US position is to agree with that is it not precedent for Nancy Pelosi to declare herself President of the United States?
The difference being is that the winner of our last election is the one suggesting the there was rampant voter fraud. Normally, it is the loser who makes this claim.
So what? There was, in fact, fraud. Trump lost the popular vote and won the Electoral vote through the assistance of Russia and the "unusual" actions of Comey. His reign is iilegitimate.
Of course I know it's far fetched to think Pelosi could depose Trump but one can dream.
STANV said:
So what? There was, in fact, fraud. Trump lost the popular vote and won the Electoral vote through the assistance of Russia and the "unusual" actions of Comey. His reign is iilegitimate.
Of course I know it's far fetched to think Pelosi could depose Trump but one can dream.
The best possible outcome is for Trump to leave office the old fashion way by losing the next election (hopefully, in the primaries). Pence won't be any better than Trump. More and more Americans need to get to know Trump for what he is; the greatest con-artist in the history of the United States.
We have seen so many regime change actions and wars that never end well for the people who live in the besieged country. Everyone in politics knows this is about oil/petrodollars, not human rights or Democracy. I don't know if Maduro is a "dictator" but I know Bolsonaro is a fascist and Wall Street and other major countries can't support him enough. So, that is all BS and it's just more of our tax dollars going to endless war to make a few people rich and keep us from getting the things we need. I am very impressed that Tulsi Gabbard called this action out like it is. Bernie Sanders also condemned it, although he was much more qualifying and wish-washy. Anyone else I missed? Cause politicians who support this are showing you exactly on whose side they are really on.
US Backs Coup in Oil-Rich Venezuela, Right-Wing Opposition Plans Mass Privatization and Hyper-Capitalism
nan said:
We have seen so many regime change actions and wars that never end well for the people who live in the besieged country. Everyone in politics knows this is about oil/petrodollars, not human rights or Democracy. I don't know if Maduro is a "dictator" but I know Bolsonaro is a fascist and Wall Street and other major countries can't support him enough. So, that is all BS and it's just more of our tax dollars going to endless war to make a few people rich and keep us from getting the things we need. I am very impressed that Tulsi Gabbard called this action out like it is. Bernie Sanders also condemned it, although he was much more qualifying and wish-washy. Anyone else I missed? Cause politicians who support this are showing you exactly on whose side they are really on.
US Backs Coup in Oil-Rich Venezuela, Right-Wing Opposition Plans Mass Privatization and Hyper-Capitalism
https://grayzoneproject.com/2019/01/23/us-coup-oil-venezuela-right-wing-opposition-privatization-capitalism/amp/
According to the UNHCR, the number of Venezuelans fleeing their country out of economic desperation is 3 million and counting. I think that is what is driving this. There are other socialist governments (Bolivia, Ecuador, I believe) where the government has not destroyed the economy.
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This is why I support Tulsi Gabbard:
Leadership for peace . . .