Tulsa and Juneteenth - when did you learn of them?

I don't know about everyone else, but I didn't learn about either of these until pretty recently - within the last decade at best.

How about you?


I've known for a long time that Juneteenth had to do with the end of slavery, but I didn't know exactly what had happened until recently.  I first learned of the Tulsa incident only a couple of years ago, via social media.  They certainly didn't teach us about that in school  LOL


drummerboy said:

I don't know about everyone else, but I didn't learn about either of these until pretty recently - within the last decade at best.

How about you?

 I'd say the same, maybe more recently, within past 5-6 years.


Same as db and STANV - seems like recently, almost certainly 10 years or less?  Juneteenth, though...possibly before we left SOMA in 2006? but i had the advantage of acquaintance with some very well-informed A-A parents.


I remember when I first saw Juneteenth referenced ... somewhere? ... and I just had no idea what it was. At first I thought - "Juneteenth? Well, that sounds dumb." Had to look it up.

I think I might have heard about Tulsa through a radio program - I'm thinking This American Life, but not certain.


OK, I learned about Juneteenth in public school in Brooklyn in 1965.  Our textbook clearly stated that the Civil War was about slavery, not state's rights, and told clearly of the failure of Reconstruction.  We also studied George Washington Carver and poetry of Phyllis Wheatley.  Then again, the Civil Rights Acts had just been passed.  I crossed a picket line to go to school the same year where parents were protesting integration.  But I remember our Black history being front and center in my education, which is evidently highly unusual.  


I learned about it from my son in Columbia high school...about 8 years ago.


dianaid said:

OK, I learned about Juneteenth in public school in Brooklyn in 1965.  Our textbook clearly stated that the Civil War was about slavery, not state's rights, and told clearly of the failure of Reconstruction.  We also studied George Washington Carver and poetry of Phyllis Wheatley.  Then again, the Civil Rights Acts had just been passed.  I crossed a picket line to go to school the same year where parents were protesting integration.  But I remember our Black history being front and center in my education, which is evidently highly unusual.  

I honestly don't remember anything that might have been called "black history" from my schooldays (1963-75). Not saying it wasn't there, but it sure didn't make an impact if it was.

Interestingly - I went to school in New Rochelle - the home of the 1963 de facto segregation ruling by the Supreme Court.

https://www.nytimes.com/1986/06/01/nyregion/new-rochelle-recalls-landmark-bias-ruling.html

We were, I think, one of the first, if not the first, districts to undergo busing as a remedy. It wasn't until many years later when I realized that the reason all of my neighborhood friends all of a sudden decided to go to Catholic school was in reaction to the forced integration of our local elementary school.

 

Juneteenth when Ralph Ellison’s unfinished novel was published about 20 years ago. The Tulsa massacre not until Watchmen on TV this year.

And while I vaguely recall hearing about the violent white coup in Wilmington, N.C., when I was living in the state in the 1980s, it wasn’t until David Zucchino published his book this year that it really sank in.


drummerboy said:

Interestingly - I went to school in New Rochelle - the home of the 1963 de facto segregation ruling by the Supreme Court.

I attended an elementary school less than two decades after it was one of six cases consolidated as Brown v. Board of Education. The local involvement never came up in any class.


Yeah, I didn't I learn about New Rochelle's legal involvement until many years later. Never, ever mentioned as part of a class or anything. I guess if I was in the habit of reading newspapers at age 6 I might have learned something about it.

All we knew was that Black kids from Lincoln School were showing up in our school. There was much resentment. I was confused.


1967 at a Catholic High School


dianaid said:

OK, I learned about Juneteenth in public school in Brooklyn in 1965.  Our textbook clearly stated that the Civil War was about slavery, not state's rights, and told clearly of the failure of Reconstruction.  We also studied George Washington Carver and poetry of Phyllis Wheatley.  Then again, the Civil Rights Acts had just been passed.  I crossed a picket line to go to school the same year where parents were protesting integration.  But I remember our Black history being front and center in my education, which is evidently highly unusual.  

Which public school?  I was at Erasmus Hall H.S. at about that time and I don't recall Juneteenth being part of the curriculum when we studied the Civil War period.  Our American History class focused on multiple causes for the Civil War, slavery certainly but also political power, urban vs rural economies, etc.


About twenty years ago when I worked, Dun and Bradstreet 


Found out lots more about Tulsa listening to On The Media this morning.  Wow!  It's part 4 of the 6/19 episode at the following link:

https://www.npr.org/podcasts/452538775/on-the-media

I would love to link to a transcript, but that seems to be a lifelong challenge.


Learned of Black Wall St massacre and Juneteenth from my grandfather in  South Carolina in the 70s. Hidden Figures was a secret to me until recently. Couldn't believe it wasnt more common knowledge considering the magnitude of the space race. 


Ditto for Hidden Figures. Didn't know about it til the movie came out.



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