The Middle Earth of Belichick and Brady Is Drawing to an End archived
Dec 17, 2012 at 6:41am Edited
Has Belichek won anything since he got caught cheating on opposing team defenses? I don't think so.
Oh crap I thought this was going to be a thread about The Hobbit.
Of course not. It's in the Sports section.
Of course not. It's in the Sports section.
Dec 17, 2012 at 6:47am Edited
johnlockedema said:
Has Belichek won anything since he got caught cheating on opposing team defenses? I don't think so.
I'm a Giants fan, but I don't think you can blame Belichek for this:
Hmm.
Anyhow. I don't think this is the end (or the beginning of the end) of the pocket passer. QB's that flush out too quickly in some kind of effort to make things happen have never met with a lot of success. I suppose that could change in the future - but having your tough to replace QB take the ball and run doesn't seem like a great plan.
Anyhow. I don't think this is the end (or the beginning of the end) of the pocket passer. QB's that flush out too quickly in some kind of effort to make things happen have never met with a lot of success. I suppose that could change in the future - but having your tough to replace QB take the ball and run doesn't seem like a great plan.
ml1....While you're right about Tyree and Welker, remember that 2 of the 3 Pats victories were FGs on the final play. And the win over Philly was only by 3 points. I don't recall signature moments like Tyree and Welker, but I'm sure if we revisited we could point to a few moments that may have been difference-makers. I think Brady and Belichick have to take the fall for the losses just as they get credit for the wins. After all, maybe Welker botched that possible clincher, but he sure wasn't the one who ill-advisedly underthrew the Chase Blackburn INT. And don't forget the footage of The Hoodie telling his defense not to let Nicks or Cruz beat them, right before "the pass" to Manningham. There's some fault there, to be sure.
10-4 signifies the end of an era? The Jets should be so lucky.
barry_badrinath said:
10-4 signifies the end of an era? The Jets should be so lucky.
Considering that the Jets only have an error, and not an era, I agree. But I still think we are seeing an evolution in style, just as we did from the days of Unitas and Starr to the next generation, and on and on.
Train_of_Thought said:
ml1....While you're right about Tyree and Welker, remember that 2 of the 3 Pats victories were FGs on the final play. And the win over Philly was only by 3 points. I don't recall signature moments like Tyree and Welker, but I'm sure if we revisited we could point to a few moments that may have been difference-makers. I think Brady and Belichick have to take the fall for the losses just as they get credit for the wins. After all, maybe Welker botched that possible clincher, but he sure wasn't the one who ill-advisedly underthrew the Chase Blackburn INT. And don't forget the footage of The Hoodie telling his defense not to let Nicks or Cruz beat them, right before "the pass" to Manningham. There's some fault there, to be sure.
all true, I'm just pointing out that the failure for the Pats to win another Super Bowl in the last several years doesn't mean Belichick suddenly became a bad coach. given the long term consistency this team has displayed (how many years in Belichick's tenure have the Pats been the best or second best AFC team), it's hard to conclude that they are on any kind of downward trend. Because once again, it looks like NE will win the AFC East, and has a shot at a 2 seed in the AFC.
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Kaepernick is but one more of the new breed of QBs who have the speed and athleticism of a Michael Vick (or even an Adrian Peterson) combined with the arm strength, accuracy, field vision, and killer instinct of a Brady or Manning.
And just as important are the younger coaches--the new Belichicks--who understand how to use this new breed of QB and build supporting teams around them. Just as Belichick was able to see and implement the future before any of his cohort could, so we see with Harbaugh today. Heck, Harbaugh even gambles on 4th down like Belichek, only Harbaugh has the tools to succeed.
Don't get me wrong--Belichick and Brady are still plenty good and could well string together another Super Bowl run this year or next. And Shanahan shows that an old dog can adapt when given the right tools. But the game is moving on and the Brady/Belichick formation is fading into history, and I am not sure either will be able to adapt to the new reality.