Seton Holland the flooding in Ivy Hill

So the water that floods part of Ivy Hill is going to be diverted. To where?

Hurricane Ida was the first time 50 years, that II saw parts of Irvington Avenue, by Essex and Union Avenues, under water --- to the point of being impassable by auto.

Yeah, it only lasted for an hour or two. But still. 

Building on the campus needs to cease.

Seton Hall has an issue with engineering and construction.  

A West Orange apartment complex had to be evacuated due to a collapse of  a portion of the hill behind it.  There was never a problem until Seton Hall built its new ball/recreational fields

SammiJ said:

Seton Hall has an issue with engineering and construction.  

A West Orange apartment complex had to be evacuated due to a collapse of  a portion of the hill behind it.  There was never a problem until Seton Hall built its new ball/recreational fields

That was Seton Hall Prep that did that.

Steve said:

That was Seton Hall Prep that did that.

Yes. But the process and outcome were the same. Engineering, with a "**** about the neighbors" attitude towards the outcome.

Right, but that doesn't mean that SH should be blamed for it.

Buildings, sidewalks, parking lots and driveways, ALL promote run-off. And run-off water has to go somewhere. It used to be able to be absorbed into the ground. But now, it can't 

Planning boards consider traffic, population density, affects on schools and municipal services. I doubt that water runoff is built into consideration for issuance of variances. 

As a result, the flooded area in the golf course, continues to expand. I would not be surprised to see Golf Island houses to be in a flood plain, within the next 5 years.

Runoff needs to be considered by planning boards.

As for Seton Hall, S.O., has historically allowed The Hall to do whatever it wants with its property, without consideration for its other residents. Have any of their proposals been modified or rejected by the S,O. planning board?

Formerlyjerseyjack said:

I doubt that water runoff is built into consideration for issuance of variances.

https://www.southorange.org/DocumentCenter/View/6498/Master-Plan-with-appendix-

The fact that SO has a written policy regarding run-off does not negate jerseyjack's contention.

Do some research into how individual variances were arrived at and if they included run-off considerations, and how they were included, then get back to us.

How many of these non conforming lots were developed prior to the adoption of the ordinance on lot coverage and have therefore been grandfathered in?

DaveSchmidt said:

https://www.southorange.org/DocumentCenter/View/6498/Master-Plan-with-appendix-

The operative, subordinate clause of paragraph 2 is the ambiguous key to the problem. Has it ever been taken onto consideration int he review of an application?

I would submit that ANY new building or pavement in S.H. property, meets the criteria for disapproval.

Formerlyjerseyjack said:

DaveSchmidt said:

https://www.southorange.org/DocumentCenter/View/6498/Master-Plan-with-appendix-

The operative, subordinate clause of paragraph 2 is the ambiguous key to the problem. Has it ever been taken onto consideration int he review of an application?

I would submit that ANY new building or pavement in S.H. property, meets the criteria for disapproval.

your language is fancy but you appear to be making assertions without any research, or attending any planning board meetings.  Runoff and mitigation is a part of every plan.  Lot coverage rules even for single family homes are enforced.  The Seton hall issue is a mess.  It involves two municipalities, a county, and a private school, as well as decades of institutional racism.  This isn't some brand new issue just because it's finally popped up here.  I think that the school should be ashamed of their response and attempts to duck responsibility, but that doesn't mean that there is an easy solution.

its probably going to come up again at the meeting I'm attending in a half hour.

Edited to add that I was wrong about the meeting.  I'm two weeks early.

Steve said:

SammiJ said:

Seton Hall has an issue with engineering and construction.  

A West Orange apartment complex had to be evacuated due to a collapse of  a portion of the hill behind it.  There was never a problem until Seton Hall built its new ball/recreational fields

That was Seton Hall Prep that did that.

whether it’s the Prep or University, it still has the Seton Hall name on it

The Prep has gotten away with a tremendous amount in WO and tends to slide on neighborhood quality of life issues

drummerboy said:

The fact that SO has a written policy regarding run-off does not negate jerseyjack's contention.

Do some research into how individual variances were arrived at and if they included run-off considerations, and how they were included, then get back to us.

The info was intended as a potential starting point for further research, not an end. You and jerseyjack, if either of you chooses, can take it from there.

DanDietrich said:

its probably going to come up again at the meeting I'm attending in a half hour.

Edited to add that I was wrong about the meeting. I'm two weeks early.

Here’s hoping it didn’t take you 31 minutes to discover that.

I saw in a local FB group that someone is asserting that people in Newark don't care about this at all, and it's just a bunch of "woke" white people in South Orange who are complaining.

They haven't listened to the passionate well spoken residents who have been pushing about this for several years, I guess.  I was very impressed by the residents.