Is there a reason to deny McCabe his pension?
Because Trump is a junkyard dog and who will destroy anything and anybody to win.
On the other hand, the FBI's Office of Professional Responsibility recommended that he be fired and the news I have seen has not said whether or not this office is politicized.
tjohn said:
Because Trump is a junkyard dog and who will destroy anything and anybody to win.
On the other hand, the FBI's Office of Professional Responsibility recommended that he be fired and the news I have seen has not said whether or not this office is politicized.
Well said, if you have it in you to fire someone like Tillerson via Tweet, you are empty and vile. I think we can agree to empty and vile...
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I haven't followed the whole thing, but if he did authorize releasing information from an ongoing investigation to reporters, it may actually be something he can lose his pension for. I know for certain public employee positions you can lose your pension for official misconduct involving your job. I know of a police officer who lost his pension that way.
It also depends on how big of a deal it was that he authorized the release of the information to reporters. If it was something that they have a documented history of it normally being just a disciplinary note in your file, then yes, its punitive. But if this is normally seen as a huge deal, regardless of the political climate, then it may be something that would happen even if asswipe weren't in the White House.
Dont they need evidence? Also, im seeing that it's a felony for Trump to be talking about it publicly.
spontaneous said:
I haven't followed the whole thing, but if he did authorize releasing information from an ongoing investigation to reporters, it may actually be something he can lose his pension for. I know for certain public employee positions you can lose your pension for official misconduct involving your job. I know of a police officer who lost his pension that way.
It also depends on how big of a deal it was that he authorized the release of the information to reporters. If it was something that they have a documented history of it normally being just a disciplinary note in your file, then yes, its punitive. But if this is normally seen as a huge deal, regardless of the political climate, then it may be something that would happen even if asswipe weren't in the White House.
I haven’t followed too closely either. It seems like he may or may not have violated some rule(s) that would justify being fired for cause , which could potentially put his pension at risk. Could some decisions be politically motivated? Yes, but that’s Washington for you.
I do believe that the guy’s family won’t go hungry if he does lose his pension, as I’m sure he’ll have his pick of high-paying private security and consulting jobs. So I’m not losing sleep over the outcome here.
I do wonder why his “lovely family” would be a reason for him not to lose his pension as OP suggests. May be a dumb question, but if his kids were delinquents would that make him less deserving to keep his pension?
if he violated some law or policy as determined by whatever review board determines such things, and which led to him being terminated for cause, and as part of the consequences he is to lose his pension, so be it. He knew what he was doing, played with fire against all odds, and got his *** burned.
If he didn’t, and Trump is just being a dick, that makes him a victim of the obvious and of politics that he could have seen coming, and makes Trump, well, still a dick.
tjohn said:
Because Trump is a junkyard dog and who will destroy anything and anybody to win.
On the other hand, the FBI's Office of Professional Responsibility recommended that he be fired and the news I have seen has not said whether or not this office is politicized.
The inspector general recommended, but has the OPR decided yet?
It's not a criminal investigation. It's an employment issue.
peaceinourtime said:
Dont they need evidence? Also, im seeing that it's a felony for Trump to be talking about it publicly.
spontaneous said:
I haven't followed the whole thing, but if he did authorize releasing information from an ongoing investigation to reporters, it may actually be something he can lose his pension for. I know for certain public employee positions you can lose your pension for official misconduct involving your job. I know of a police officer who lost his pension that way.
It also depends on how big of a deal it was that he authorized the release of the information to reporters. If it was something that they have a documented history of it normally being just a disciplinary note in your file, then yes, its punitive. But if this is normally seen as a huge deal, regardless of the political climate, then it may be something that would happen even if asswipe weren't in the White House.
Smedley said:
I haven’t followed too closely either. It seems like he may or may not have violated some rule(s) that would justify being fired for cause , which could potentially put his pension at risk. Could some decisions be politically motivated? Yes, but that’s Washington for you.
I do believe that the guy’s family won’t go hungry if he does lose his pension, as I’m sure he’ll have his pick of high-paying private security and consulting jobs. So I’m not losing sleep over the outcome here.
I do wonder why his “lovely family” would be a reason for him not to lose his pension as OP suggests. May be a dumb question, but if his kids were delinquents would that make him less deserving to keep his pension?
Of course not. Just saying....
Apparently, he's accused of "lack of candor..." pundits are observing just now on MSNBC (Brian Williams) that the "optics," given all the "ribbing" McCabe was getting earlier, doesn't contribute to a great environment in which Sessions could easily/seamlessly fire McCabe.
They had someone familiar with the process on who said that one more level of review exists before a firing/pension denial decision would be finalized. That is a review by the Attorney General's office. When John Yoo faced this sanction during the Bush administration reversed the decision.
To conduct an actual review would push the process well beyond the date when McCabe would retire with benefits, so the person said that Sessions could only complete the firing in time if he just chucks the review process.
That would likely raise an employment law issue and would give a McCabe a good chance to win a reversal on an adverse benefits decision, though you have to wonder if Sessions might just do it anyway to pacify his boss and the Hannity crowd, even if he knows it won't stick.
If Trump/Sessions take that action, moving on the firing before taking the final review step, maybe McCabe could sue for a larger settlement than in his regular pension.
Stoughton said:
They had someone familiar with the process on who said that one more level of review exists before a firing/pension denial decision would be finalized. That is a review by the Attorney General's office. When John Yoo faced this sanction during the Bush administration reversed the decision.
To conduct an actual review would push the process well beyond the date when McCabe would retire with benefits, so the person said that Sessions could only complete the firing in time if he just chucks the review process.
That would likely raise an employment law issue and would give a McCabe a good chance to win a reversal on an adverse benefits decision, though you have to wonder if Sessions might just do it anyway to pacify his boss and the Hannity crowd, even if he knows it won't stick.
DaveSchmidt said:
tjohn said:
Because Trump is a junkyard dog and who will destroy anything and anybody to win.
On the other hand, the FBI's Office of Professional Responsibility recommended that he be fired and the news I have seen has not said whether or not this office is politicized.
The inspector general recommended, but has the OPR decided yet?
The OPR decided he should be fired .
There isn't much time left to actually do it.
Trump is running the government like it's just another mobbed-up casino scam. Not paying people comes as naturally to him as breathing. I wouldn't be fooled by any kind of rationalization they come up with to make it seem legitimate.
I just find it hard to believe that if McCabe violated FBI protocol, that he did it without the approval of his bosses. And now to hold him the only one accountable, in a particularly vindictive way seems wrong.
ml1 said:
I just find it hard to believe that if McCabe violated FBI protocol, that he did it without the approval of his bosses. And now to hold him the only one accountable, in a particularly vindictive way seems wrong.
Good point. When he did what he did, in 2016, everyone knew. It wasn't done in secret. And now, at the last minute, its found his offense is so egregious that he could be punished by being fired.
If he gets fired it will have a chilling effect. That is, be very careful on what is said and done. Is that what Trump & Co hope for?
For ump this make perfect sense and his opiod fueled zombies/supports LOVE this!
So now a whistle blower has come up with the news that State department was told to."clean out" all employees who seemed to disagree with trump! AND trump did not agree with treasury department's sanctions against Russia. Talk about a bull in a China shop!
ml1 said:
I just find it hard to believe that if McCabe violated FBI protocol, that he did it without the approval of his bosses. And now to hold him the only one accountable, in a particularly vindictive way seems wrong.
The issue is not the decision made in 2016 to authorize bureau officials to speak on the Clinton investigation itself, but his conduct and candor in responding to questions during a subsequent internal review of, among other things, that decision.
It's rarely the mistake that jams you up, it's the lying about it afterwards.
Oh yeah, John Heilman just reminded me, McCabe is a potential witness in the Mueller investigation. He was one of the few to whom Comey spoke as he was being squeezed by trump. McCabe is a patriot and prosecuted the Boston Marathon bombing case. Sarah Sanders was defamatory toward McCabe today, calling him a "bad actor," with "troubling behavior." He fought organized crime. Maybe it's that McCabe fought one (or more) of trump's mafia friends and co-workers.
as a side note - the particular incident that McCabe is being cited for produced journalism which hurt Hillary. Trump Inc. is just using him as an example of FBI bias because of his wife's Democratic political endeavors.
The facts are that both the FBI and the IG recommended he be fired. If in fact they can prove he lied to the FBI his pension might not be his biggest concern.
It is now being claimed even if fired he would keep his pension.
Some of this should be settled today.
BCC said:
The facts are that both the FBI and the IG recommended he be fired. If in fact they can prove he lied to the FBI his pension might not be his biggest concern.
It is now being claimed even if fired he would keep his pension.
Some of this should be settled today.
Well,
It seems almost every Trump appointee lied during their confirmation hearings, so I guess that's the new normal.
McCabe allegedly authorized someone in the FBI to leak that the FBI was dragging its feet on the Clinton email investigation. So the leak actually pushed the investigation on.
So it was an action unfavorable to Clinton. Thi0s was the ostensible reason Sessions fired him.
The REAL reason is that Comey spoke with him about trump and McCabe is a witness. Even MCabe has said this. It is an attempt to mess with his credibility.
Trump is simultaneously trying to move stormy daniels' case into a federal court where trump appoints the judge and where it can be arbitrated. Trump wants to eclipse this Stormy Daniels action with the McCabe story.
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This guy is a long-term, hard-working public servant. He has teenage kids and a lovely family. Isn't it bad enough he is being forced out of the FBI after a lifetime's service? Does anyone know why the President is so g-d sadistic he has to threaten to withhold this guy's pension? Don't we as his served population deserve to know why he is being denied his pension? This is an outrage! It seems this is just another case of trump taking revenge for being investigated, himself. What a thug!