Increase # of Liquor License
maps said:
Can Maplewood up the number of licenses? I was just reading that a town is allowed one for every 3,000 people. There are 24K people in Maplewood so that would give us 8, but I can only think of 5 places that server liquor. The pub, Coda, Cassidy, Highland Place, and Verjus, are there others I am missing?
O'Reilly's.
I had read somewhere that the township was exploring granting at least one additional license.
The insanity of this policy is just mind boggling. I grew up in Northern California where people serve wine out of their barns and life goes on without catastrophe or Armageddon.
It does seem arcane- and I'd certainly be for loosening it up, but careful consideration needs to be made to any sudden change in license supply and how it would potentially drive license prices down. It would impact those who paid up when a license was scarce and prices were high.
Hawk's had one, what happened to that? Or is that not in Maplewood proper?
5 + 1 O’Reilly’s + 1 Country Club + 1 exploration = all 8 calculated in the OP, right?
Last year Cambridge, MA did away with their cap on liquor licenses because people were complaining it was too hard to get one. Naturally, people are now complaining that their $400k liquor license is worth $150 (or whatever the city charges).
I guess what I’m trying to say is...someone will always be upset.
RobB said:
Last year Cambridge, MA did away with their cap on liquor licenses because people were complaining it was too hard to get one. Naturally, people are now complaining that their $400k liquor license is worth $150 (or whatever the city charges).
I guess what I’m trying to say is...someone will always be upset.
--- and ..it happens. Cab medallion owners experienced the same loss in value with Lift and Uber. But the average citizen looking for a cab ended up the better.
Yeah. Weigh the number of people who would potentially benefit from getting rid of the limit (the population of MW) against the number of people who would be hurt by it (8). Seems like a no brainer to me.
I always thought that the restrictive liquor laws were a remnant of Prohibition. After all the latter resulted from decades of a strong movement.
If the town we're to add maybe 6, and auction off one per year, those who own licenses now would know what was coming and the town would make some money
FilmCarp said:
If the town we're to add maybe 6, and auction off one per year, those who own licenses now would know what was coming and the town would make some money
It is a state law that sets the limit, although there has been some talk about how the state could change the numbers and reimburse the current holders via a tax break equal to the price they paid for the license.
On the other hand right now, we can bring a $2.00 bottle of beer into a non-licensed place and enjoy it. With a license, the $2. becomes $6.00, plus tip and tax.
The proposed legislation to legalize recreational marijuana does not place a limit on the number of establishments that could sell it. If that passes, it's only a matter of time until the limit on liquor licenses is lifted.
A quote from Vic on this topic posted to Lounge on 11/22.
"State law allows one consumption license per 3,000 residents. Currently Maplewood is entitled to 7 licenses - Coda, St James Gate, Country Club, Verjus, O'Reilly's, Cassidy and Highland Place (Altopiano)."
maps said:
Does the county club count since it is a private establishment?
maps said:
Does the county club count since it is a private establishment?
Country Club serves alcoholic beverages to non-members. Thus a club license does not meet their needs.
yahooyahoo said:
The proposed legislation to legalize recreational marijuana does not place a limit on the number of establishments that could sell it. If that passes, it's only a matter of time until the limit on liquor licenses is lifted.
Your local corner weed guy doesn't have a strong lobbying presence in Trenton.
maps said:
FilmCarp said:It is a state law that sets the limit, although there has been some talk about how the state could change the numbers and reimburse the current holders via a tax break equal to the price they paid for the license.
If the town we're to add maybe 6, and auction off one per year, those who own licenses now would know what was coming and the town would make some money
I always thought it was funny NJ doesn’t have beer and wine licenses (or maybe they do and I just never noticed)? That might be a nice middle ground between people who paid a quarter million for a liquor license and those who don’t want to lug around a half bottle of wine home from dinner.
Isn't there a permit to sell beer and wine if it's produced from NJ?
If someone wanted to open a bar in the train station, it's apparently possible to get a special liquor license outside of those allotted to the township. That's how the Boxcar in Short Hills got a license. It was referenced in this article about Chatham trying to open a restaurant in their train station:
http://www.nj.com/independentpress/index.ssf/2013/06/new_dining_options_being_consi.html
Formerlyjerseyjack said:
On the other hand right now, we can bring a $2.00 bottle of beer into a non-licensed place and enjoy it. With a license, the $2. becomes $6.00, plus tip and tax.
I don't really drink when I eat dinner. I like to go have a mixed drink with friends and although there are places in town I really want a nice place on Springfield Ave that I can walk home from =)
I really like the train station idea. I wonder what that would take? You could open at 6pm and get the commuters on their way home.
Formerlyjerseyjack said:
On the other hand right now, we can bring a $2.00 bottle of beer into a non-licensed place and enjoy it. With a license, the $2. becomes $6.00, plus tip and tax.
Two reasons liquor licenses are good for restaurants and their patrons: 1. they subsidize food prices for everyone, drinking and not, and 2. they help profits and keeps them in business, also good for everyone. Corking fees don't help nearly as much.
They now have Phil Murphy.
Steve said:
yahooyahoo said:
The proposed legislation to legalize recreational marijuana does not place a limit on the number of establishments that could sell it. If that passes, it's only a matter of time until the limit on liquor licenses is lifted.
Your local corner weed guy doesn't have a strong lobbying presence in Trenton.
maps said:
I really like the train station idea. I wonder what that would take? You could open at 6pm and get the commuters on their way home.
And it would encourage park side parking! I like the idea too, and the station seems ready made for it. Get rid of the excessive signage, but keep the excellent book exchange.
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Can Maplewood up the number of licenses? I was just reading that a town is allowed one for every 3,000 people. There are 24K people in Maplewood so that would give us 8, but I can only think of 5 places that server liquor. The pub, Coda, Cassidy, Highland Place, and Verjus, are there others I am missing?