Greg or Jerry

galileo

Apr 29, 2015 at 1:02pm Edited

I am noticing that some Village Keepers signs are pairing up with Greg signs. At first I thought I wanted the Village Keeper sign but now it seems to have another meaning. I'm sure Jerry Ryan has given a lot of thought to the PO debate as has Greg. I'm beginning to question this whole sign situation,not sure what it all means.

meandtheboys

Apr 29, 2015 at 1:15pm

Village Green signs?

joan_crystal

Apr 29, 2015 at 2:29pm

I think the OP means Village Keepers.

mapleman

Apr 29, 2015 at 3:50pm

I"m with the OP. I want to keep the village a village, I'm voting for Ryan and Adams. and I don't want the VK sign on my lawn.

CONFUSED

Apr 29, 2015 at 4:16pm Edited

galileo said:
I am noticing that some Village Keepers signs are pairing up with Greg signs. At first I thought I wanted the Village Keeper sign but now it seems to have another meaning. I'm sure Gerry Ryan has given a lot of thought to the PO debate as has Greg. I'm beginning to question this whole sign situation,not sure what it all means.

The Village Keepers oppose the plans to put a proposed mixed-use building on the PO site, as proposed by the TC including Ryan. Candidate Lembrich agrees with the Village Keepers. Therefore the Village Keepers support Lembrich's candidacy. Whether all supporters of Lembrich agree with him on that issue or whether all supporters of Ryan agree with Ryan's position I have no way of knowing for sure. Although I do know that Ryan is definitely not a one issue candidate. Lembrich has other planks in his platform but no less a personage than Joan Crystal has criticized them as vague.

mapleman

Apr 29, 2015 at 5:04pm

that's because they're vague

ctrzaska

Apr 29, 2015 at 5:43pm

I've seen quite a few VK signs paired with Jerry/Nancy signs. Clearly not your single-issue voters, thankfully. So there's that.

ice

Apr 30, 2015 at 4:11am Edited

Haven't gotten any signs yet, but when I do, it'll have Jerry's name on it. It appears to me that Lembrich is being propped up by Fred Profeta and his Village Keepers. I for one don't want a TC member beholdent to Fred or the anti-progress Keepers.

dave23

Apr 30, 2015 at 4:13am Edited

ice said:
Haven't gotten any signs yet, but when I do, it'll have Jerry's name on it. It appears to me that Lembrich is being stood up by Fred Profeta and his Village Keepers. I for one don't want a TC member beholdent to Fred or the anti-progress Keepers.

ice

Apr 30, 2015 at 4:16am

Yes, I did make that change already for clarity.

ice

Apr 30, 2015 at 4:31am Edited

Main reason I don't want a stand-in for Profeta on the TC is that I think Fred has shown himself to be out of touch with most residents on a variety of issues over the past few years. Recall his strong advocacy for the chicken ordinance, which almost nobody has actually taken advantage of (and recall how he said he would get a coup, but later admitted he never even applied for a permit?). Then there was pay-as-you-throw, which Fred insisted would save everyonne "HUGE" amounts of money (despite the fact that almost nobody pays more than about $40 per month for trash hauling). Remember his shot at eminant domain at the Bette White building? Then there was my favorite - insisting on taking a large portion of Orchard Park for use as a private garden for 30 or 40 people. I recall Jerry pleading to wait another year when the Town Hall garden site would be ready, and ultimately sanity prevailed and Jerry's proposal has worked out really well over time. And didn't Fred propose closing the Hilton library? Taking away private property (Bette White), taking away public property (Orchard Park), decreasing competition and taking away our right to choose (PAYT), taking away a learning resource in an area where it is most needed (Hilton), making questionable claims to support an agenda (chicken coups and 'huge' savings) --- do we really want more of this? I simply don't want Fred's proxy on the TC, so will be voting for Jerry.

nohero

Apr 30, 2015 at 4:50am

galileo said:
I am noticing that some Village Keepers signs are pairing up with Greg signs.

We are all shocked, shocked.

ice

Apr 30, 2015 at 4:55am Edited

And, yes, Profeta's record is relevant as Lembrich's most prominent supporter, and because lembrich has no record to run on because he simply hasn't done anything for the community yet. It's interesting how Fred has suddenly woken up to the post office issue after 3+ years, just coincidentally prior to the TC primaries. I'm sure we'll be told this is not opportunism, but can that be believed?

fredprofeta

Apr 30, 2015 at 8:42am

My, my ice. You have an attitude. Your facts are all crooked, but I haven't got time now to correct you now. Too busy putting up signs in the real world. Anyway, I'm not worried about my rating in the community - and if some of that rubs off on Greg, great!

denniss

Apr 30, 2015 at 9:04am

fredprofeta said:
My, my ice. You have an attitude. Your facts are all crooked, but I haven't got time now to correct you now. Too busy putting up signs in the real world. Anyway, I'm not worried about my rating in the community - and if some of that rubs off on Greg, great!

Could you be any more smug? I used to have a positive impression of you , Fred. Not so much anymore. I'm sure that's no skin off your nose, but it does make me feel better to say so.

imonlysleeping

Apr 30, 2015 at 9:58am

denniss said:

fredprofeta said:
My, my ice. You have an attitude. Your facts are all crooked, but I haven't got time now to correct you now. Too busy putting up signs in the real world. Anyway, I'm not worried about my rating in the community - and if some of that rubs off on Greg, great!
Could you be any more smug? I used to have a positive impression of you , Fred. Not so much anymore. I'm sure that's no skin off your nose, but it does make me feel better to say so.

Feel the same way. I've always had a very positive impression of Fred (and have voted accordingly), but boy is he not doing himself any favors in these recent MOL PO posts. IMO.

Red_Barchetta

Apr 30, 2015 at 10:07am

imonlysleeping said:

denniss said:

fredprofeta said:
My, my ice. You have an attitude. Your facts are all crooked, but I haven't got time now to correct you now. Too busy putting up signs in the real world. Anyway, I'm not worried about my rating in the community - and if some of that rubs off on Greg, great!
Could you be any more smug? I used to have a positive impression of you , Fred. Not so much anymore. I'm sure that's no skin off your nose, but it does make me feel better to say so.
Feel the same way. I've always had a very positive impression of Fred (and have voted accordingly), but boy is he not doing himself any favors in these recent MOL PO posts. IMO.

Sadly, this is also my position.

fredprofeta

Apr 30, 2015 at 11:01am

Sorry former friends. I'm afraid that candor in reply to slander is one of my weak points. Ice's post was full of misstatements and hostility. How would you have responded? Sorry again for the smugness, but I really don't have time to refute that sort of stuff point by point. But silence in the face of attack seems like an admission. Probably best to stay off MOL altogether so there is no reason to expect a response. However, if I see any of you again in the real world, I promise not be be smug.

imonlysleeping

Apr 30, 2015 at 11:08am

Smugness I can handle. It's the aggressiveness with which you've been peddling blatant PO baloney in all of these threads. Some of your rhetorical tactics have been really disappointing. If you want to continue to be respected as a public figure in the way you always have been, then my friendly, honest suggestion is to just stop posting here. Your posts (the content, not just the tone) in this debate have really diminished my high opinion of you.

ice

Apr 30, 2015 at 11:12am Edited

Fred - I would think a lawyer would know the difference between slander (spoken) and libel (written) defamation. Are you threatening to sue me for describing positions you have taken as a public figure and expressing my opinion of them? In any event, my post was not libelous. Fred, did you not indicate on MOL that you planned to get a chicken coup, and subsequently not apply for a permit? Did you not say that you would not push for PAYT if it wouldn't generate huge savings (I recall "BIG BUCKS" was the other term you used)? Were you not in favor of using the Bette White site for the police station? Were you not a strong supporter of putting the community garden in Orchard Park? Did you not propose/support closing the Hilton library at some point? Which of those is a lie? And one must admit that the timing of your entry into the PO fray is at least curious, being several years late.

mapleman

Apr 30, 2015 at 11:21am

holy cow was the whole MPD/Bette White deal a debacle. Not to mention the wasted money spent on a survey of residents to find out what everyone knew - taking the building by eminent domain was a terrible and an unpopular idea. My understanding is that the ballooned cost of the new PD was a direct result of the delay caused by the cluster over eminent domain. While the project languished, the price of building materials increased substantially.

fredprofeta

Apr 30, 2015 at 11:26am

Promise not to sue you ice. Even if I were so disposed, you know I'm a former public figure and am disabled from doing that. Each of your statements contains misrepresentations of fact. But each is not entirely false. You are a smart guy - and you have blended truth and fiction in a way that makes my positions seem ridiculous. But I'm not going to sit here now and unravel them for you or the MOL audience. Maybe we'll do that some day over coffee or beer. As for now, I'm outta here.

icdart

Apr 30, 2015 at 11:29am

Agreed , Fred.

For one thing as far as setting up the Community Garden goes my memory is clearer than Ices .

Gerry wanted nothing to do with the garden and characteristically noted that he saw no reason to set it up in 2010 and saw no reason that we should not wait another year. Why wait ? I asked..Why go ahead ? Was his response ..unlike Fred who was supportive from the first time the CG was proposed. True he was uneasy when the Orchard Park neighbors objected but did what he could given the information we needed to use the area behind Town Hall. the use of Orchrd Park was not for a few people nor was it private . It was a garden for residents who chose to grow their own vegetables and herbs . Just as now, it was a way to use space for many ..a space that was not used for anything ...having lived near the Park , I knew the space was never used for any of the claimed uses . It was that the neighbors did not want their concept of their park violated . It was used for private parties of the neighbors . Fred had nothing to do with its possible choice as a garden. The CG committee chose it for its attributes and then withdrew when the vile comments ensued . We turned back to our original choice and it has worked ..the CG is at two sites and many of those who live aroundOrchard Park , garden at the TH site . And Yes Fred helped with setting up TH as the first CG site ..a most useful idea, saving many money each year as well as allowing them to eat nutritiously .. Labeling it anything else but useful is folly .

And where was Fred an this? Certainly not proactive and not prone to being helpful with promoting causes that are needed and work . Another memory comes to note... When neighbors at TH insisted that the garden would add to their water issues, the TC member , who is an engineer, insisted that he was not a water engineer so had no opinion . When I called in a field of experts to support the idea that the garden would ease any water issues Fred was there .at that mid April meeting we were able to move forward using facts to choose the TH site as the first CG in town .

Fred helped as he had with other Green issues in town . I'll go with him supporting fresh talent than someone who chooses to sit on the sidelines .

For me , failings and all ,

fredprofeta

Apr 30, 2015 at 11:32am Edited

I promise not to sue you ice. Even if I were so disposed, you know that I am a former "public figure" and I am legally disabled from doing so. Each of your statements contains misrepresentations of fact. But each is not entirely false. You're a smart guy ice - and you have blended truth and fiction is such a way as to make my positions seem ridiculous. But I'm not going to sit here now and unravel them for you or the MOL audience. Maybe some day, over coffee or beer, we can engage in that exercise. As for now ice, I'm outta here.

ice

Apr 30, 2015 at 12:00pm Edited

icdart - with all due respect, it was a LOT more residents than just the immediate park neighbors who objected to the Orchard Park site selection - I doubt that just the immediate neighbors unhappiness would have required the police to be called to Town Hall after that vote. I think Jerry was 100% correct to suggest waiting a year. And I also think that you and others should be commended for ultimately creating attractive and productive gardens at both the TH and pool sites. They are both credits to our community.

icdart

Apr 30, 2015 at 12:30pm

And non of it would be here today were it not for the efforts of three people..Fred , Kathy and Vic..and the small group who knew the value of gardening..

Fred was the most helpful ....might I add if it were not for the unfounded objections of those surrounding the Park, the fruits of their gardening might have been enjoyed without walking more than a block to collect their harvest for five years now.. Someday.

Fred knew well , the dynamics of the group who opposed the garden ...that we appreciated

author

Apr 30, 2015 at 2:10pm

I was closer to the scene than most when it came to the creation of the Community Garden/s. There was also a third garden for a

year on the grounds of the Montrose School. The soil and excellent sun yielded the most bountiful crop of any of the gardens.

Also the neighbors remarked several times what a pleasing sight it was to behold all that produce growing in what hither to had been an empty field.

And also , speaking of neighbors. After the first two Gardens proved such a success several of the neighbor from the Orchard Park area applied for growing plots for themselves. They also apologized for their behavior and now wished

that the garden had been established in Orchard Park.

That is the type of thing which is never publicized in the Patch or now the Village Green.

And Mr. Ryan with his idea to wait another year........you might be on the right track but if you don't move quickly enough

you will be lose a year of your life for no reason except timidity.

ice

Apr 30, 2015 at 2:11pm Edited

posted by icdart: "if it were not for the unfounded objections of those surrounding the Park, the fruits of their gardening might have been enjoyed without walking more than a block to collect their harvest for five years now.. Someday." Are you saying that someday you still plan to use the Orchard Park site for a garden? Wow. I'm guessing here, but I doubt even Fred would touch that one with a ten foot pole.

author

Apr 30, 2015 at 2:49pm

No.............not even a remote thought. Some of the immediate neighbors did inquire about the possibility but the logistics of running even just the two gardens extant are difficult. Remember all labor is voluntary and like any growing attempt very much dependent on the weather.

I did not do direct hands on work in the soil..............I am a city boy. Vegetables come from the Supermarket. But rather a relationship with some one who did.............and still does on other levels now.