FBI raids Mar-A-Lago

Roy Cohn taught Trump his super-power, which is to run right on the line between legality and illegality.


drummerboy said:

Roy Cohn taught Trump his super-power, which is to run right on the line between legality and illegality.

more likely brazenly run over the line of illegality


ml1 said:

drummerboy said:

Roy Cohn taught Trump his super-power, which is to run right on the line between legality and illegality.

more likely brazenly run over the line of illegality

well, he's managed to avoid jail time his whole corrupt life. that ain't nothing.


drummerboy said:

well, he's managed to avoid jail time his whole corrupt life. that ain't nothing.

the whole silver spoon thing comes to mind.


drummerboy said:

ml1 said:

drummerboy said:

Roy Cohn taught Trump his super-power, which is to run right on the line between legality and illegality.

more likely brazenly run over the line of illegality

well, he's managed to avoid jail time his whole corrupt life. that ain't nothing.

part of his super power is to be a crook right out in the open


This twitter thread, which has been ongoing for 3 days, and is up to 225 tweets, outlines pretty much every crime Trump and his organization has committed since 1973 and how he has avoided conviction and jailtime for every one of them. tl;dr white collar crimes can be waived away with enough money.

There's a hefty explanation of white collar crime and statistics at the start of the thread before Ms. Taub really gets into it, but once she gets going, hang on for the ride, it's both entertaining and incredibly well-researched.


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ridski said:

This twitter thread, which has been ongoing for 3 days, and is up to 225 tweets, outlines pretty much every crime Trump and his organization has committed since 1973 and how he has avoided conviction and jailtime for every one of them. tl;dr white collar crimes can be waived away with enough money.

There's a hefty explanation of white collar crime and statistics at the start of the thread before Ms. Taub really gets into it, but once she gets going, hang on for the ride, it's both entertaining and incredibly well-researched.

Your post got kind of munged. Here's the link to the start of the Taub thread

https://twitter.com/jentaub/status/1564002372703117313



drummerboy said:

Your post got kind of munged. Here's the link to the start of the Taub thread

https://twitter.com/jentaub/status/1564002372703117313

Thanks. Yeah, not sure why the embed function effed up there.


ridski said:

drummerboy said:

Your post got kind of munged. Here's the link to the start of the Taub thread

https://twitter.com/jentaub/status/1564002372703117313

Thanks. Yeah, not sure why the embed function effed up there.

Jamie's fault.


Claiming that the illegally retained classified documents (that you swore weren't even there) were not all over the floor, but were neatly stacked in a box, is not a "defense", it's what's called an "admission of guilt". 


Shade. 


ridski said:

drummerboy said:

Your post got kind of munged. Here's the link to the start of the Taub thread

https://twitter.com/jentaub/status/1564002372703117313

Thanks. Yeah, not sure why the embed function effed up there.

When the name of the tweet author has emojis, that messes up the embedding here on MOL.  Delete them from the "Widget embed code" before hitting "insert". They will still show up when the actual tweet embeds.

[Edited to add] Here are the first two tweets in that thread.  It's a good thing she took a screen shot before her target's account went away. 


nohero said:

When the name of the tweet author has emojis, that messes up the embedding here on MOL.  Delete them from the "Widget embed code" before hitting "insert". They will still show up when the actual tweet embeds.

I usually scan the whole embed text and take out any emoji, not just if it's associated to the tweet author.

It's weird how they show up anyway.


drummerboy said:

nohero said:

When the name of the tweet author has emojis, that messes up the embedding here on MOL.  Delete them from the "Widget embed code" before hitting "insert". They will still show up when the actual tweet embeds.

I usually scan the whole embed text and take out any emoji, not just if it's associated to the tweet author.

It's weird how they show up anyway.

The flag may have tripped you up.  They show as letters (The American flag is "US", for example) in the code, so you may have missed it.


nohero said:

drummerboy said:

nohero said:

When the name of the tweet author has emojis, that messes up the embedding here on MOL.  Delete them from the "Widget embed code" before hitting "insert". They will still show up when the actual tweet embeds.

I usually scan the whole embed text and take out any emoji, not just if it's associated to the tweet author.

It's weird how they show up anyway.

The flag may have tripped you up.  They show as letters (The American flag is "US", for example) in the code, so you may have missed it.

er, what?


nohero said:

Claiming that the illegally retained classified documents (that you swore weren't even there) were not all over the floor, but were neatly stacked in a box, is not a "defense", it's what's called an "admission of guilt". 

"Like I’m sitting there reading these documents"

Lol don't worry, no one thinks you're reading anything.


drummerboy said:

nohero said:

drummerboy said:

I usually scan the whole embed text and take out any emoji, not just if it's associated to the tweet author.

It's weird how they show up anyway.

The flag may have tripped you up.  They show as letters (The American flag is "US", for example) in the code, so you may have missed it.

er, what?


Mark Levin says the way the FBI laid the documents on a rug is negligence..

https://twitter.com/marklevinshow/status/1565139716487483393


Not sure what’s happened; my iPad is now displaying this thread up to 10 August…. H’m. 
Anyway. 111,000 documents, incl. 90 empty folders, and a heck of a lot of info ‘interfiled’ with personal possessions??? To me it seems as if someone wants wants to give the impression they packed so quickly and ‘thoroughly’ they apparently didn’t quite know what they’d grabbed… In other words quite suss. And why have so many so handy around your desk if you don’t need them any more? (And why didn’t you return the military ones marked specifically for return to that officer??)

All very perplexing. Or not. 
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62771613
ETA: happy sigh,  missing thread pages restored. 


Tony and the boys would also go "golfing" to get somewhere they thought they couldn't be heard, but at least they remembered to bring clubs. 


Probably trying to figure out who told the FBI about the files hidden in the closet 


Dearie prods Trump lawyers for answers on classified documents (WaPo)

NEW YORK — A special master pressed Donald Trump’s attorneys to move quickly and provide more answers about whether the former president did or didn’t declassify documents marked Top Secret that were found in his Florida home last month, saying “you can’t have your cake and eat it, too” if they want to argue the documents might not still be secret.

At his first meeting with lawyers for Trump and the Justice Department in his new role as special master, U.S. District Court Judge Raymond J. Dearie urged the Trump side to spell out its position on the question of roughly 100 documents marked classified that were taken by FBI agents as part of a court-authorized search of Mar-a-Lago on Aug. 8.

“We have little time to complete the tasks assigned to the court,” Dearie told the lawyers, prodding them to quickly resolve legal questions about the high-profile national security investigation into a former president who frequently indicates he may again seek the White House. “We are going to proceed with what I call responsible dispatch.”

Dearie issued no rulings at Tuesday’s hearing, his first as special master. But he made clear that if Trump’s side remained silent on the question of whether or not their client had at some point in his presidency declassified the documents, Dearie was likely to agree with prosecutors that the documents at the heart of the case are still classified. Trump’s legal team has argued that making them answer that question now could put them at a disadvantage in the face of a possible future criminal prosecution, or a future legal fight over getting seized documents returned to him.

When Trump defense attorney James M. Trusty told Dearie that he should not be forced to disclose declarations and witness statements yet, Dearie replied: “My view is you can’t have your cake and eat it, too" — signaling that he may not have much patience for that argument as the special master review proceeds.

Trumpenstein loves to stall. He might have finally stalled his engine by requesting a special master too late. He’s hoping to stall this thing past November. 


Appeals court sides with Justice Department in Mar-a-Lago case (WaPo)

An appeals court sided with the Justice Department in a legal fight over classified documents seized in a court-authorized search of former president Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home, ruling Wednesday that the FBI may use the documents in its ongoing criminal investigation.

The ruling by a three-judge panel of the appeals court marks a victory, at least temporarily, for the Justice Department in its legal battle with Trump over access to the evidence seized in a high-stakes national security investigation to determine if the former president or his advisers mishandled national security secrets or hid or destroyed government records.

In the ruling, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit in Atlanta found fault with Trump’s rationale that the classified documents in particular might be his property, rather than the government’s. The appeals court also disagreed with the rationale used by U.S. District Court Judge Aileen M. Cannon.

PVW said:

Appeals court sides with Justice Department in Mar-a-Lago case (WaPo)

An appeals court sided with the Justice Department in a legal fight over classified documents seized in a court-authorized search of former president Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home, ruling Wednesday that the FBI may use the documents in its ongoing criminal investigation.

The ruling by a three-judge panel of the appeals court marks a victory, at least temporarily, for the Justice Department in its legal battle with Trump over access to the evidence seized in a high-stakes national security investigation to determine if the former president or his advisers mishandled national security secrets or hid or destroyed government records.

In the ruling, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit in Atlanta found fault with Trump’s rationale that the classified documents in particular might be his property, rather than the government’s. The appeals court also disagreed with the rationale used by U.S. District Court Judge Aileen M. Cannon.

This only counts if the court gave a merciless beat down on Cannon's opinion.


drummerboy said:

This only counts if the court gave a merciless beat down on Cannon's opinion.

It did.


Steve said:

drummerboy said:

This only counts if the court gave a merciless beat down on Cannon's opinion.

It did.

Good to know that some Trump judges slipped in with some integrity. All is not lost.


Yes, two of the three on the 11th Cir. panel were his appointees.


Steve said:

Yes, two of the three on the 11th Cir. panel were his appointees.

On that topic, what's the deal with the Trump team recommending Dearie? He seems normal and professional so far. Is the Trump team so incompetent that they're even bad at being bad?


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